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My take is that Apple are doing the maximum possible to protest their disagreement with consumer protection laws interfering with their ability to do whatever t

My take is that Apple are doing the maximum possible to protest their disagreement with consumer protection laws interfering with their ability to do whatever they want. Their announcement has the tone of a spoilt child, with an air of punishment to be applied to EU users and particularly developers. It’s bad faith compliance. Rather than protecting the interests of users, they are more interested in obstructing the DMA and its attempt to promote competition and protect consumers from monopolistic practices.

Hugsun 3y ago
Fortunately, there are quite a few clauses in the original regulation[0], like 31-33, and some clauses in the 50s IIRC, that explicitly mention some of the coercive tactics Apple is employing. Like leveraging other mandatory services provided by Apple to incur fees. [0]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A265%3ATOC&uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.265.01.0001.01.ENG https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3...
krzysiek 3y ago
My favorite part: "EU users will be confronted with a list of default browsers before they have the opportunity to understand the options available to them. The screen also interrupts EU users’ experience the first time they open Safari intending to navigate to a webpage." I mean it's like saying that having a choice before being educated by one of the parties among the choices is a bad thing and it looks bad.
- patrickmcnamara 3y ago
  The wording of the whole press release is hilarious. The tone is so petulant and odd for such a large company haha.
  - suslik 3y ago
    Just shows how triggered their SET is by all this.
  - jerjerjer 3y ago
    Yes, I wonder what are they aiming for with this kind of language.
- mariushop 3y ago
  "Confronted" not presented. Lol the screen should also state in bold lettering "This freedom is forced on you by EU which we hate. You will pay for this, and it's THEIR fault, not ours. No hard feelings."
- bengale 3y ago
  But this is the argument with the cookie banners again, isn't it? "Surely choice isn't a bad thing", except that everyone hates them and just clicks allow anyway. At least this regulation is only going to annoy people in the EU and not globally this time.
  - red_trumpet 3y ago
    Do you really expect to see a browser choice dialog every time you open safari?
    - bengale 3y ago
      No, but a bad decision at this point is going to be tricky to resolve due to the type of user that might end up using it. The only people who might be influenced by this popup are people who don't know that other browsers are an option. Are these the people that is makes sense to drop them into a random browser, are they going to be able to make a good choice from this popup do you think? Is there a benefit to dropping some unsuspecting user into Opera, for example, and letting them deal with the myriad of incompatibility issues for the sake of an illusion of choice? Is there a benefit to you, the expert user, to getting this popup when the first place you're going in Safari is the Chrome download page anyway?
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        Apple chose to comply that way. We're arguing over poor design right now because this is a user story for no one - that's Apple's fault. There are thousands of ways to comply with the DMA, and the proposed one here is nonsense; Android and Mac exist as proof that you can give people choice without sabotaging them. Ostensibly, you're right; why give the uninformed masses an imperative browser decision? If Apple was willing to make it optional or put it behind a Developer Mode, they wouldn't be faced with such stark regulation. Blame whoever you want, but the writing has been on the walls for years - Apple sabotaged themselves if they weren't prepared for sideloading.
  - mcmcmc 3y ago

Hugsun 3y ago

Fortunately, there are quite a few clauses in the original regulation[0], like 31-33, and some clauses in the 50s IIRC, that explicitly mention some of the coercive tactics Apple is employing. Like leveraging other mandatory services provided by Apple to incur fees. [0]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A265%3ATOC&uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.265.01.0001.01.ENG https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3...

krzysiek 3y ago

My favorite part: "EU users will be confronted with a list of default browsers before they have the opportunity to understand the options available to them. The screen also interrupts EU users’ experience the first time they open Safari intending to navigate to a webpage." I mean it's like saying that having a choice before being educated by one of the parties among the choices is a bad thing and it looks bad.

patrickmcnamara 3y ago
The wording of the whole press release is hilarious. The tone is so petulant and odd for such a large company haha.
- suslik 3y ago
  Just shows how triggered their SET is by all this.
- jerjerjer 3y ago
  Yes, I wonder what are they aiming for with this kind of language.
mariushop 3y ago
"Confronted" not presented. Lol the screen should also state in bold lettering "This freedom is forced on you by EU which we hate. You will pay for this, and it's THEIR fault, not ours. No hard feelings."
bengale 3y ago
But this is the argument with the cookie banners again, isn't it? "Surely choice isn't a bad thing", except that everyone hates them and just clicks allow anyway. At least this regulation is only going to annoy people in the EU and not globally this time.
- red_trumpet 3y ago
  Do you really expect to see a browser choice dialog every time you open safari?
  - bengale 3y ago
    No, but a bad decision at this point is going to be tricky to resolve due to the type of user that might end up using it. The only people who might be influenced by this popup are people who don't know that other browsers are an option. Are these the people that is makes sense to drop them into a random browser, are they going to be able to make a good choice from this popup do you think? Is there a benefit to dropping some unsuspecting user into Opera, for example, and letting them deal with the myriad of incompatibility issues for the sake of an illusion of choice? Is there a benefit to you, the expert user, to getting this popup when the first place you're going in Safari is the Chrome download page anyway?
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Apple chose to comply that way. We're arguing over poor design right now because this is a user story for no one - that's Apple's fault. There are thousands of ways to comply with the DMA, and the proposed one here is nonsense; Android and Mac exist as proof that you can give people choice without sabotaging them. Ostensibly, you're right; why give the uninformed masses an imperative browser decision? If Apple was willing to make it optional or put it behind a Developer Mode, they wouldn't be faced with such stark regulation. Blame whoever you want, but the writing has been on the walls for years - Apple sabotaged themselves if they weren't prepared for sideloading.
- mcmcmc 3y ago