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> Pay is bad though I wonder if that is in any way correlated to this: > Gov't study finds only 3,065 homeless people in Japan https://japantoday.com/categor

> Pay is bad though I wonder if that is in any way correlated to this: > Gov't study finds only 3,065 homeless people in Japan https://japantoday.com/category/national/gov%27t-study-finds-only-3-065-homeless-people-in-japan https://japantoday.com/category/national/gov%27t-study-finds...

TapWaterBandit 3y ago
The full quote is: > Last Friday, Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare released the results of an annual study of the number of homeless people *in the country’s parks and riverside areas.* So this isn't the full count of homeless, just the ones living in specific park areas.
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  Where else are they going to live? Unlike America, Japan doesn't have massive homeless encampments full of tents in random places all around the city, so they generally all congregate in certain parks where their presence is tolerated. From my experience living in Tokyo, I'd say that looking at those parks and riverside areas is a very accurate way of counting the number of homeless.
staunton 3y ago
First, that number is most probably understated. Second, your comment could be interpreted as saying that counties with high pay have (or should have) a lot of homeless people, which seems insane. So what did you mean?
- coldtea 3y ago
  >Second, your comment could be interpreted as saying that counties with high pay have (or should have) a lot of homeless people, which seems insane. Does it? Countries with high inequality I'd expect to have a lot of homeless people. Except if you mean countries with high pay across the board. So how does that work, everybody gets high wages, and companies can afford it and hire the same number of people, (instead of the case of splitting wages more equally)?
- Negitivefrags 3y ago
  It’s not that insane. If pay is low then companies can afford to hire more people to do the same amount of work, leading to overall more employment and then presumably less homelessness.
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    Unemployment is just one factor in homelessness. Other factors are drugs (Japan is much more stricter), home availability (Japan has much less NIBMYies), etc.
    - callalex 3y ago
      Also most importantly the ability for the state to declare you mentally unfit and hold you against your will.
      - xboxnolifes 3y ago
        If you're being held, do you fall under homelessness?
      - coldtea 3y ago
        So, this happens a lot if Japan? Examples?
        cscurmudgeon 3y ago
        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1075719/japan-number-legal-measure-hospitalizations-mental-illnesses/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1075719/japan-number-leg...
anonymoushn 3y ago
There are probably more than 3000 people just trying to live out of net cafes. Pay is bad for SWEs because Japan mostly doesn't have the sorts of companies that generate millions in profit per SWE, and foreign companies lower their offers to be only a little above the local market rate. Pay is bad for other workers because huge amounts of labor are wasted on tasks like "staying at the office at least as long as my boss" or "replacing our successful product with a new one for the sake of demonstrating that we have done something" which are optimized for purposes opposed to creating value.
willmadden 3y ago
That's one of the last things I would wonder.

TapWaterBandit 3y ago

The full quote is: > Last Friday, Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare released the results of an annual study of the number of homeless people *in the country’s parks and riverside areas.* So this isn't the full count of homeless, just the ones living in specific park areas.

shiroiuma 3y ago
Where else are they going to live? Unlike America, Japan doesn't have massive homeless encampments full of tents in random places all around the city, so they generally all congregate in certain parks where their presence is tolerated. From my experience living in Tokyo, I'd say that looking at those parks and riverside areas is a very accurate way of counting the number of homeless.

staunton 3y ago

First, that number is most probably understated. Second, your comment could be interpreted as saying that counties with high pay have (or should have) a lot of homeless people, which seems insane. So what did you mean?

coldtea 3y ago
>Second, your comment could be interpreted as saying that counties with high pay have (or should have) a lot of homeless people, which seems insane. Does it? Countries with high inequality I'd expect to have a lot of homeless people. Except if you mean countries with high pay across the board. So how does that work, everybody gets high wages, and companies can afford it and hire the same number of people, (instead of the case of splitting wages more equally)?
Negitivefrags 3y ago
It’s not that insane. If pay is low then companies can afford to hire more people to do the same amount of work, leading to overall more employment and then presumably less homelessness.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  Unemployment is just one factor in homelessness. Other factors are drugs (Japan is much more stricter), home availability (Japan has much less NIBMYies), etc.
  - callalex 3y ago
    Also most importantly the ability for the state to declare you mentally unfit and hold you against your will.
    - xboxnolifes 3y ago
      If you're being held, do you fall under homelessness?
    - coldtea 3y ago
      So, this happens a lot if Japan? Examples?
      - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1075719/japan-number-legal-measure-hospitalizations-mental-illnesses/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1075719/japan-number-leg...

anonymoushn 3y ago

There are probably more than 3000 people just trying to live out of net cafes. Pay is bad for SWEs because Japan mostly doesn't have the sorts of companies that generate millions in profit per SWE, and foreign companies lower their offers to be only a little above the local market rate. Pay is bad for other workers because huge amounts of labor are wasted on tasks like "staying at the office at least as long as my boss" or "replacing our successful product with a new one for the sake of demonstrating that we have done something" which are optimized for purposes opposed to creating value.

willmadden 3y ago

That's one of the last things I would wonder.