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This isn’t a high-school debate, you have to think about legal consequence of your arguments. If the user has not exchanged consideration for the software, wha

This isn’t a high-school debate, you have to think about legal consequence of your arguments. If the user has not exchanged consideration for the software, what is it, a gift? Do they want it? You can’t force someone to accept a gift, now you have to sell me iPhone without iOS! If user just paid for the hardware, locking down the hardware and forcing the user to use iOS is interference with the user’s property, potentially a crime. Furthermore, you have to provide a user manual For The Hardware separately. How is that gonna work? What does it do without software? So consequences of taking this route could be even worse - having to allow android to run on Apple hardware or something.

freedomben 3y ago
I didn't downvote you, but I'm guessing the downvotes are because of your unnecessarily snarky opening sentence. That's unfortuante because it overshadowed what was otherwise some interesting thoughts. In the future I would definitely remove unnecessarily inflammatory/offensive stuff like that since it takes away from your argument rather than helping it.
SllX 3y ago
Not sure how you got from my separation of unit from developer program Point A to your BYOOS Point Z. The developer program ≠ the operating system. The phone at least in the case of iPhones is the hardware unit plus the software (the operating system, the secure boot environment, the baseband firmware, and the apps bundled with the phone).
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>If user just paid for the hardware, locking down the hardware and forcing the user to use iOS is interference with the user’s property, potentially a crime. sounds good to me. But I don't think anyone's really arguing that here. >You can’t force someone to accept a gift, now you have to sell me iPhone without iOS! I mean, for Windows OEMs the licensing cost of windows is bundled in the price. Apple can do the same here. they are buying hardware plus a software OS. they aren't buying the entire app store as those apps each have separate costs assossiated with them. This is more like you can sell me IOS without the App Store (which again no one is really asking for. Just a reasonable option to sideload other stores).

freedomben 3y ago

I didn't downvote you, but I'm guessing the downvotes are because of your unnecessarily snarky opening sentence. That's unfortuante because it overshadowed what was otherwise some interesting thoughts. In the future I would definitely remove unnecessarily inflammatory/offensive stuff like that since it takes away from your argument rather than helping it.

SllX 3y ago

Not sure how you got from my separation of unit from developer program Point A to your BYOOS Point Z. The developer program ≠ the operating system. The phone at least in the case of iPhones is the hardware unit plus the software (the operating system, the secure boot environment, the baseband firmware, and the apps bundled with the phone).

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>If user just paid for the hardware, locking down the hardware and forcing the user to use iOS is interference with the user’s property, potentially a crime. sounds good to me. But I don't think anyone's really arguing that here. >You can’t force someone to accept a gift, now you have to sell me iPhone without iOS! I mean, for Windows OEMs the licensing cost of windows is bundled in the price. Apple can do the same here. they are buying hardware plus a software OS. they aren't buying the entire app store as those apps each have separate costs assossiated with them. This is more like you can sell me IOS without the App Store (which again no one is really asking for. Just a reasonable option to sideload other stores).