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I really like the user experience of the app store as it is. I love that I can cancel any app subscription from 1 place. I understand some of the problems of

I really like the user experience of the app store as it is. I love that I can cancel any app subscription from 1 place. I understand some of the problems of the app store from the developer side and hope those change, but I like how it is as a user. I do wish progressive web apps were improved a bit.

thefz 3y ago
Nothing is preventing you from using the same app store in the future
berkes 3y ago
That means Apple can compete on merits, not through a monopoly. If they truly have a stellar experience, people would want to pay a premium for that even, and choose this option. What need is there, for you, that requires Apple to then hold on to their monopoly?
- meowtimemania 3y ago
  I'm not sure! If I have the same cancel-any-subscription-from-ios-settings experience without the app store, then I would love that! I'd love it if I could cancel other things like spotify/netflix from that same ios settings screen.
makeitdouble 3y ago
I see the "app subscription in 1 place" point a lot, but what stops you from only ever enforcing that rule by yourself, as you're already doing now ? I assume that means you currently don't subscribe to anything Amazon provides, nor Netflix, nor game services, nor newsletters, nor coffee subscriptions etc. A few more subscription mechanisms appearing in the world would not make a difference, do they ? I anything you'd have more option to choose which basket you put all your eggs in.
- bobbylarrybobby 3y ago
  If you've ever tried to cancel Amazon Prime through amazon.com, you'll understand the value that Apple provides through its App Store subscriptions.
  - madsbuch 3y ago
    I take that you are American? It is super easy to cancel Amazon Prime in the EU (I did it in Portugal).
    - RamblingCTO 3y ago
      No it's not. They still let you jump through a bunch of hoops and try to trick you. Have you ever cancelled something on the app store? It's really just a cancel button.
      - madsbuch 3y ago
        Ahh, I see. Maybe we should expand it then? Make a rule that all subscription services shall to use Apple's iStore – it is after all the simplest possible way. I have not cancelled anything on the Apple store, no. I have not yet had the burden of owning an iPhone, but I have cancelled a lot of things elsewhere. And the only situations where it has been anxiety provoking has been for US companies.
        RamblingCTO 3y ago
        That's true! In Germany there's the law that you need to be able to cancel a subscription the same way you created it. So if I click a button, you can't ask me to call you. But it's circumvented, and you're right, internationally it's so much worse. And they call it "customer retention" lol
  - Extasia785 3y ago
    What's wrong with cancelling Amazon Prime? I did it recently and it took less than a minute. I even had the option to cancel immediately and have them refund my money, even though my yearly subscription was still running for half a year, which AFAIK is not possible for App Store subscriptions. I'm in EU so might be different to US.
ajdude 3y ago
What is even better is that I can use prepaid Visa cards to subscribe to things via Apple Pay in the App Store for the very same apps that will not allow me to do it on their website

thefz 3y ago

Nothing is preventing you from using the same app store in the future

berkes 3y ago

That means Apple can compete on merits, not through a monopoly. If they truly have a stellar experience, people would want to pay a premium for that even, and choose this option. What need is there, for you, that requires Apple to then hold on to their monopoly?

meowtimemania 3y ago
I'm not sure! If I have the same cancel-any-subscription-from-ios-settings experience without the app store, then I would love that! I'd love it if I could cancel other things like spotify/netflix from that same ios settings screen.

makeitdouble 3y ago

I see the "app subscription in 1 place" point a lot, but what stops you from only ever enforcing that rule by yourself, as you're already doing now ? I assume that means you currently don't subscribe to anything Amazon provides, nor Netflix, nor game services, nor newsletters, nor coffee subscriptions etc. A few more subscription mechanisms appearing in the world would not make a difference, do they ? I anything you'd have more option to choose which basket you put all your eggs in.

bobbylarrybobby 3y ago
If you've ever tried to cancel Amazon Prime through amazon.com, you'll understand the value that Apple provides through its App Store subscriptions.
- madsbuch 3y ago
  I take that you are American? It is super easy to cancel Amazon Prime in the EU (I did it in Portugal).
  - RamblingCTO 3y ago
    No it's not. They still let you jump through a bunch of hoops and try to trick you. Have you ever cancelled something on the app store? It's really just a cancel button.
    - madsbuch 3y ago
      Ahh, I see. Maybe we should expand it then? Make a rule that all subscription services shall to use Apple's iStore – it is after all the simplest possible way. I have not cancelled anything on the Apple store, no. I have not yet had the burden of owning an iPhone, but I have cancelled a lot of things elsewhere. And the only situations where it has been anxiety provoking has been for US companies.
      - RamblingCTO 3y ago
        That's true! In Germany there's the law that you need to be able to cancel a subscription the same way you created it. So if I click a button, you can't ask me to call you. But it's circumvented, and you're right, internationally it's so much worse. And they call it "customer retention" lol
- Extasia785 3y ago
  What's wrong with cancelling Amazon Prime? I did it recently and it took less than a minute. I even had the option to cancel immediately and have them refund my money, even though my yearly subscription was still running for half a year, which AFAIK is not possible for App Store subscriptions. I'm in EU so might be different to US.

ajdude 3y ago

What is even better is that I can use prepaid Visa cards to subscribe to things via Apple Pay in the App Store for the very same apps that will not allow me to do it on their website