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This reply completely misses the point. Apple designed the whole system where paid apps, regardless of income, subsidize free apps, regardless of income. It's

by lapcat 3y ago

This reply completely misses the point. Apple designed the whole system where paid apps, regardless of income, subsidize free apps, regardless of income. It's of course true that some indie developers choose to participate in the system rather than not participate, because they individually find it worthwhile financially. But indie developers did not design the system. Neither did they negotiate the system with Apple. The choice is merely take it or leave it. (Indeed, developers had to sue Apple in order to get the App Store Small Business Program 15% cut. That was a lawsuit settlement term.)

robertlagrant 3y ago
It doesn't miss the point. Saying someone has tasked people with something is just not true. I might as well claim that someone has tasked me with writing this reply. They haven't, at all. I'm choosing it.
- lapcat 3y ago
  Fine, if you want to be unreasonably pedantic, then I give up. You win the argument of word choice. You can collect your prize at the door.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    I would just advise to not challenge people as missing the point if they didn't. Then no leaving in a huff required. The mentality that developers are forced into this situation is deeply wrong, and leads to wrong conclusions. So it needs addressing.
    - lapcat 3y ago
      > I would just advise to not challenge people as missing the point if they didn't. You're still missing the point, as evidenced by that very comment. > Then no leaving in a huff required. I didn't leave. That's a misreading of "You can collect your prize at the door", which suggested that you leave. > The mentality that developers are forced into this situation is deeply wrong. There's no such mentality. You've invented that in your own mind. No developers are claiming that they're publishing in the App Store at gunpoint. The point ought to be very simple to understand: the 15%/30% fees on paid apps in the App Store are subsidizing the costs for free apps in the App Store, and that seems like a bizarre, unfair situation, because many paid apps are published by little indie developers, and many free apps are published by giant corporations making $billions per year in advertising revenue from those apps that are free to download. I don't know why you insist on deliberately misunderstanding that simple point.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        > You're still missing the point, as evidenced by that very comment. No evidence provided, other than later citing a different point I wasn't commenting on. > I didn't leave. When you say that you give up, that's what I'm referring to. > There's no such mentality. Saying that developers are tasked with something is that mentality. Developers are choosing this option. Could the option be better? Of course - any option can be infinitely better. But that doesn't mean they are tasked with anything. > I don't know why you insist on deliberately misunderstanding that simple point. I'm not mentioning that point. I'm talking about a different point. If you'd like to debate, or whatever you call this, the point you're talking about with someone who disagrees with it I'm sure there's someone in the comment section who'll take you up on it.

by lapcat 3y ago

robertlagrant 3y ago

It doesn't miss the point. Saying someone has tasked people with something is just not true. I might as well claim that someone has tasked me with writing this reply. They haven't, at all. I'm choosing it.

lapcat 3y ago
Fine, if you want to be unreasonably pedantic, then I give up. You win the argument of word choice. You can collect your prize at the door.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  I would just advise to not challenge people as missing the point if they didn't. Then no leaving in a huff required. The mentality that developers are forced into this situation is deeply wrong, and leads to wrong conclusions. So it needs addressing.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > I would just advise to not challenge people as missing the point if they didn't. You're still missing the point, as evidenced by that very comment. > Then no leaving in a huff required. I didn't leave. That's a misreading of "You can collect your prize at the door", which suggested that you leave. > The mentality that developers are forced into this situation is deeply wrong. There's no such mentality. You've invented that in your own mind. No developers are claiming that they're publishing in the App Store at gunpoint. The point ought to be very simple to understand: the 15%/30% fees on paid apps in the App Store are subsidizing the costs for free apps in the App Store, and that seems like a bizarre, unfair situation, because many paid apps are published by little indie developers, and many free apps are published by giant corporations making $billions per year in advertising revenue from those apps that are free to download. I don't know why you insist on deliberately misunderstanding that simple point.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > You're still missing the point, as evidenced by that very comment. No evidence provided, other than later citing a different point I wasn't commenting on. > I didn't leave. When you say that you give up, that's what I'm referring to. > There's no such mentality. Saying that developers are tasked with something is that mentality. Developers are choosing this option. Could the option be better? Of course - any option can be infinitely better. But that doesn't mean they are tasked with anything. > I don't know why you insist on deliberately misunderstanding that simple point. I'm not mentioning that point. I'm talking about a different point. If you'd like to debate, or whatever you call this, the point you're talking about with someone who disagrees with it I'm sure there's someone in the comment section who'll take you up on it.