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It's not, actually. It's the salaries of the engineers who work on the frameworks and OS that underpin the apps these developers are writing. Are you proposing

It's not, actually. It's the salaries of the engineers who work on the frameworks and OS that underpin the apps these developers are writing. Are you proposing we should go back to charging users for software updates? Personally, I think it makes more sense to take a cut from other people doing business on top of the platform.

mcfedr 3y ago
Yet they managed to do this for years for free when they had their walled garden up and and supposedly offered so much value to developers with their app store and such
summerlight 3y ago
Profit from the iPhone business alone should be much more than enough to pay those OS/framework developers since Apple claims that iOS and iPhone are indivisible/unsubstitutable parts to each other.
kevingadd 3y ago
If Apple inexplicably chooses to sell iDevices so cheaply that they can't afford to pay the people who build the software for it, that's their mistake. The EU isn't forcing them to do that, neither are app developers. They've had years to remedy any pricing mistakes they made in the past and price their hardware appropriately. They also pull in billions of dollars every year from their 30% cut on gambling/gacha games, and do almost nothing to earn that (those games have to provide their own updater/CDN because the Apple/Google ones aren't good enough, and those games don't meaningfully rely on Apple/Google for things like quality assurance or marketing.) Apple will be fine even if their Europe-specific cut is halved. Claiming they're going to suffer or be unable to pay employees is simply not supported by any evidence.
- buzzert 3y ago
  There's a difference between the one-time upfront cost of purchasing a device, and the recurring cost of supporting it with software updates (which is, in the most recent case, sometimes mandated). It's not a "pricing mistake".
  - kevingadd 3y ago
    You can bake that into the list price of the device based on how long you offer warranty coverage and/or updates. Every device vendor is already doing this unless they're completely clueless.
  - layer8 3y ago
    Yes it is a pricing mistake. If I only use the built-in apps, Apple will earn nothing from my app usage, but they still have to provide security updates. And that should be the end of it.
    - buzzert 3y ago
      > still have to provide security updates "Have to"? For how long?
      - layer8 3y ago
        At least five years, under the upcoming Cyber Resilience Act.
  - summerlight 3y ago
    It's their job to set the proper price to cover the recurring cost, like all other companies.
jeppester 3y ago
If they can't fund OS development without their App Store profits, which I highly doubt, then they should charge more for their OS. It cannot be a valid argument against regulation that your monopoly product supports other nonprofitable parts of your business. Such constructions are hurting competition and maintaining the status quo. It is very difficult to compete against a product which is priced unsustainably cheap.
bryan_w 3y ago
Ideally you want your customers to be your customers and not your products. That way, the incentives are aligned

mcfedr 3y ago

Yet they managed to do this for years for free when they had their walled garden up and and supposedly offered so much value to developers with their app store and such

summerlight 3y ago

Profit from the iPhone business alone should be much more than enough to pay those OS/framework developers since Apple claims that iOS and iPhone are indivisible/unsubstitutable parts to each other.

kevingadd 3y ago

If Apple inexplicably chooses to sell iDevices so cheaply that they can't afford to pay the people who build the software for it, that's their mistake. The EU isn't forcing them to do that, neither are app developers. They've had years to remedy any pricing mistakes they made in the past and price their hardware appropriately. They also pull in billions of dollars every year from their 30% cut on gambling/gacha games, and do almost nothing to earn that (those games have to provide their own updater/CDN because the Apple/Google ones aren't good enough, and those games don't meaningfully rely on Apple/Google for things like quality assurance or marketing.) Apple will be fine even if their Europe-specific cut is halved. Claiming they're going to suffer or be unable to pay employees is simply not supported by any evidence.

buzzert 3y ago
There's a difference between the one-time upfront cost of purchasing a device, and the recurring cost of supporting it with software updates (which is, in the most recent case, sometimes mandated). It's not a "pricing mistake".
- kevingadd 3y ago
  You can bake that into the list price of the device based on how long you offer warranty coverage and/or updates. Every device vendor is already doing this unless they're completely clueless.
- layer8 3y ago
  Yes it is a pricing mistake. If I only use the built-in apps, Apple will earn nothing from my app usage, but they still have to provide security updates. And that should be the end of it.
  - buzzert 3y ago
    > still have to provide security updates "Have to"? For how long?
    - layer8 3y ago
      At least five years, under the upcoming Cyber Resilience Act.
- summerlight 3y ago
  It's their job to set the proper price to cover the recurring cost, like all other companies.

jeppester 3y ago

If they can't fund OS development without their App Store profits, which I highly doubt, then they should charge more for their OS. It cannot be a valid argument against regulation that your monopoly product supports other nonprofitable parts of your business. Such constructions are hurting competition and maintaining the status quo. It is very difficult to compete against a product which is priced unsustainably cheap.

bryan_w 3y ago

Ideally you want your customers to be your customers and not your products. That way, the incentives are aligned