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Can you explain how it's shameful? I'm coming at it thinking it's their award process then who do they have to answer to except themselves and their own standa

Can you explain how it's shameful? I'm coming at it thinking it's their award process then who do they have to answer to except themselves and their own standards? Also that as an outsider, I don't know all the demands they're trying to satisfy, or what imperfect process they're accommodating. Maybe I'm making too much of shameful - where this could be undesirable, unsatisfying, evidence of standards we don't like, or even cause to create a different award program, but shame is about when you know you've done something wrong and violated your own code of ethics

TheCoelacanth 3y ago
It's not their award process. They administered the awards this year. They are supposed to execute the process according to the WSFS constitution, not to make decisions according to their own wishes.
dsr_ 3y ago
The members of the WorldCon may feel cheated of their voting privilege. The authors and artists and writers and editors and production staff may feel cheated of their fair competition and possible wins. Those are the stakeholders. The job of the admin staff -- who are volunteers -- is to administrate fairly. They are accused of failing at that.
aspenmayer 3y ago
It’s shameful to lie and undermine the will of the voters, and to kowtow to voters who seek to undermine the enterprise of the conference and its constitution and bylaws, which seems more likely than not from what cstross has alluded to: From my original comment thread: > I've also seen it alleged that the concom [conference committee] offered some attendees "special guest" treatment … and stole their Hugo voting rights in return, without telling them about that part of the "deal" first. (I will not cite a source on this until the attendee in question goes public.) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132337

TheCoelacanth 3y ago

It's not their award process. They administered the awards this year. They are supposed to execute the process according to the WSFS constitution, not to make decisions according to their own wishes.

dsr_ 3y ago

The members of the WorldCon may feel cheated of their voting privilege. The authors and artists and writers and editors and production staff may feel cheated of their fair competition and possible wins. Those are the stakeholders. The job of the admin staff -- who are volunteers -- is to administrate fairly. They are accused of failing at that.

aspenmayer 3y ago

It’s shameful to lie and undermine the will of the voters, and to kowtow to voters who seek to undermine the enterprise of the conference and its constitution and bylaws, which seems more likely than not from what cstross has alluded to: From my original comment thread: > I've also seen it alleged that the concom [conference committee] offered some attendees "special guest" treatment … and stole their Hugo voting rights in return, without telling them about that part of the "deal" first. (I will not cite a source on this until the attendee in question goes public.) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132337