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Why don't mac apps have a "Core Technology Fee", just think these things fall completely apart when they have a whole platform sitting there without these thing

Why don't mac apps have a "Core Technology Fee", just think these things fall completely apart when they have a whole platform sitting there without these things.

HenriTEL 3y ago
That really is the elephant in the room IMO. How can it be so terrible from a security perspective on one platform and ok on another one? Is my laptop really that different from my phone? People may have different usage but they both contain sensitive data and are meant to be used in public places. We just operate one with a touch screen and the other with a keyboard + track pad.
- igornadj 3y ago
  The argument is a phone is a critical tool, an issue affecting your phone is much more dangerous because you may need to use your phone in an emergency. That is Apple's argument for why ios and macos are different.
  - HenriTEL 3y ago
    That makes sense. I'll also grant that one of the most effective security measure is to deny by default and only allow stuff explicitly (with a single, controlled app store in this case). Personally I think the reasons for those security measure are not worth the freedom limitations and I guess that's why I've never been a fan of the apple ecosystem.
neop1x 3y ago
Of course. If Apple stopped supporting app installation from other sources than App Store on Mac, I am sure lots of customers would leave the platform. Developing and installing apps is the main feature of a computer. Apple emerged from this, from BSD and UNIX background, they are still using mostly Linux servers, yet they are taking this away from their users and force them into their "secure" stores which they control fully. EU should fight this and if Apple doesn't want to complain, they should leave EU market. There will also be less electronic waste in the end...
- nuker 3y ago
  > Developing and installing apps is the main feature of a computer. I may argue that policing the App store is the main feature of the iPhone. That is why I bought it in the first place. It is not a computer in general sense. I want only a few apps and I want them to behave.
  - neop1x 3y ago
    It is still pretty general-purpose computer and many people spend fair amount of time working with it, browsing web, reading emails, spreadsheets, ... I find it hard to believe you bought the iPhone because of Apple's store "policing". This is what they want you to believe. In reality there are sandboxing mechanisms and permission systems in place and no store "policing" is necessary. That's why android isn't less secure and that's why unless your android is not rooted you can use banking, google wallet and other security-sensitive apps and watch DRM-protected videos there as well.
smoldesu 3y ago
You almost feel bad for the MBAs that had to come up with this sad meme. On the other hand, I'm pretty punch-drunk reading all this and wouldn't mind a few more months of corporate backpedaling. HN tends to make a good spectacle out of it. “A certain amount of killing has always been an arm of business,” the Baron said, “but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Someone must be left to work the spice.”

Why don't mac apps have a "Core Technology Fee", just think these things fall completely apart when they have a whole platform sitting there without these things.

HenriTEL 3y ago

That really is the elephant in the room IMO. How can it be so terrible from a security perspective on one platform and ok on another one? Is my laptop really that different from my phone? People may have different usage but they both contain sensitive data and are meant to be used in public places. We just operate one with a touch screen and the other with a keyboard + track pad.

igornadj 3y ago
The argument is a phone is a critical tool, an issue affecting your phone is much more dangerous because you may need to use your phone in an emergency. That is Apple's argument for why ios and macos are different.
- HenriTEL 3y ago
  That makes sense. I'll also grant that one of the most effective security measure is to deny by default and only allow stuff explicitly (with a single, controlled app store in this case). Personally I think the reasons for those security measure are not worth the freedom limitations and I guess that's why I've never been a fan of the apple ecosystem.

neop1x 3y ago

Of course. If Apple stopped supporting app installation from other sources than App Store on Mac, I am sure lots of customers would leave the platform. Developing and installing apps is the main feature of a computer. Apple emerged from this, from BSD and UNIX background, they are still using mostly Linux servers, yet they are taking this away from their users and force them into their "secure" stores which they control fully. EU should fight this and if Apple doesn't want to complain, they should leave EU market. There will also be less electronic waste in the end...

nuker 3y ago
> Developing and installing apps is the main feature of a computer. I may argue that policing the App store is the main feature of the iPhone. That is why I bought it in the first place. It is not a computer in general sense. I want only a few apps and I want them to behave.
- neop1x 3y ago
  It is still pretty general-purpose computer and many people spend fair amount of time working with it, browsing web, reading emails, spreadsheets, ... I find it hard to believe you bought the iPhone because of Apple's store "policing". This is what they want you to believe. In reality there are sandboxing mechanisms and permission systems in place and no store "policing" is necessary. That's why android isn't less secure and that's why unless your android is not rooted you can use banking, google wallet and other security-sensitive apps and watch DRM-protected videos there as well.

smoldesu 3y ago

You almost feel bad for the MBAs that had to come up with this sad meme. On the other hand, I'm pretty punch-drunk reading all this and wouldn't mind a few more months of corporate backpedaling. HN tends to make a good spectacle out of it. “A certain amount of killing has always been an arm of business,” the Baron said, “but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Someone must be left to work the spice.”