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Important to note - "New business terms available for apps in the EU — to reflect the DMA’s requirements for alternative distribution and payment processing, A

Important to note - "New business terms available for apps in the EU — to reflect the DMA’s requirements for alternative distribution and payment processing, Apple is also sharing new business terms for apps in the EU. Developers have a choice to remain on Apple’s existing terms or adopt new terms that reflect the new capabilities." So this is essentially Apple making the alternative so unappealing that no-one will switch and status quo is preserved.

singularity2001 3y ago
So for developers it's either stay with Apple 100% or leave?
yreg 3y ago
> So this is essentially Apple making the alternative so unappealing that no-one will switch and status quo is preserved. The new terms are very appealing to the vast majority of developers. Most of us don't have 1M+ installs a year. They are unappealing to the likes of Facebook or YouTube.
- rvba 3y ago
  Someone can run a botfarm that will download your APP 1M times and you need to pay 45k? Sounds unappealing to me.
  - mil22 3y ago
    $45K per month.
- oblio 3y ago
  Someone was saying that updates count as installs.
- bhelkey 3y ago
  From the comments, updates count as installs.
  - yreg 3y ago
    It says "First annual install, the app may be installed any number of times by the same account for the next 12 months with no additional charge." Apple claims over 99% of developers would pay less than on the old plan.
- mthoms 3y ago
  Apparently, once you sell in a non-Apple app store - you can't go back. Not just for the app in question; You, as a developer, can never sell in an Apple EU App Store ever again. Not even unrelated apps. Still appealing? "Developers who adopt the new business terms at any time will not be able to switch back to Apple’s existing business terms for their EU apps." See "Why is Apple giving developers two options for business terms in the EU?" https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/# https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/#...
  - lozenge 3y ago
    The new business terms still allow access to list apps on the Apple EU App Store. But they allow other app stores as well.
  - yreg 3y ago
    It is a bit strange and I don't understand how they mean it. What are "EU apps"? What's the motivation for this rule? One can "just" create a new company, no?
    - mthoms 3y ago
      EU apps are apps sold in the EU by EU developers. The motivation seems to be to make it less appealing to the vast majority of developers :-) I’m not sure if that’s a viable work around or not.

singularity2001 3y ago

So for developers it's either stay with Apple 100% or leave?

yreg 3y ago

> So this is essentially Apple making the alternative so unappealing that no-one will switch and status quo is preserved. The new terms are very appealing to the vast majority of developers. Most of us don't have 1M+ installs a year. They are unappealing to the likes of Facebook or YouTube.

rvba 3y ago
Someone can run a botfarm that will download your APP 1M times and you need to pay 45k? Sounds unappealing to me.
- mil22 3y ago
  $45K per month.
oblio 3y ago
Someone was saying that updates count as installs.
bhelkey 3y ago
From the comments, updates count as installs.
- yreg 3y ago
  It says "First annual install, the app may be installed any number of times by the same account for the next 12 months with no additional charge." Apple claims over 99% of developers would pay less than on the old plan.
mthoms 3y ago
Apparently, once you sell in a non-Apple app store - you can't go back. Not just for the app in question; You, as a developer, can never sell in an Apple EU App Store ever again. Not even unrelated apps. Still appealing? "Developers who adopt the new business terms at any time will not be able to switch back to Apple’s existing business terms for their EU apps." See "Why is Apple giving developers two options for business terms in the EU?" https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/# https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/#...
- lozenge 3y ago
  The new business terms still allow access to list apps on the Apple EU App Store. But they allow other app stores as well.
- yreg 3y ago
  It is a bit strange and I don't understand how they mean it. What are "EU apps"? What's the motivation for this rule? One can "just" create a new company, no?
  - mthoms 3y ago
    EU apps are apps sold in the EU by EU developers. The motivation seems to be to make it less appealing to the vast majority of developers :-) I’m not sure if that’s a viable work around or not.