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It's so crazy/impressive to me that some vaccines are actually "prefect".

by tick_tock_tick 3y ago

SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
Never seen vaccines employed as prefects. Well, I've hears about cat prefects in Japan, but not vaccines.
- tick_tock_tick 3y ago
  Ahh you're really missing out then they let you get away without a hallpass.
  - davrosthedalek 3y ago
    Where is your towel?
londons_explore 3y ago
Many vaccines become 'perfect' by causing the disease they treat to die out in the local community. It doesn't need to be perfect at the individual level to cause that - and in fact many vaccines at the individual level actually have pretty bad metrics - like for example only preventing half of cases.
- TylerE 3y ago
  You're seeing this in vivo with polio - POLIO!! - starting to make a reappearance in some of the more extremist Hassidic communes in NYC. Those groups do not get vaccines.
  - orangepurple 3y ago
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  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    Polio's complicated because of the differences between the vaccines meaning that external vigilance will be needed even with 100% coverage.
- LorenPechtel 3y ago
  This is how vaccines are expected to operate. You don't need perfection, just enough to drive the reproduction rate below 1. However, note that this is in a population where there will no doubt be leaks. Even if everyone in the area got the jab that doesn't mean they won't have sex with people who didn't. Thus an infection rate of zero is a good showing.
alfor 3y ago
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- kstrauser 3y ago
  > We assume the cost is zero but it's not. Please share. What's the health cost of getting this vaccine?
  - alfor 3y ago
    I don't know, we don't know, that's the point. They claim a victory (no cancer in some conditions) But don't show the all cause mortality for same sample. You should be skeptical of a study not showing all causes mortality on their own sample. It's very easy to do, you count the dead and living for both samples at the end of the experiment. Yet, they don't. Weird isn't?

It's so crazy/impressive to me that some vaccines are actually "prefect".

SomeoneFromCA 3y ago

Never seen vaccines employed as prefects. Well, I've hears about cat prefects in Japan, but not vaccines.

tick_tock_tick 3y ago
Ahh you're really missing out then they let you get away without a hallpass.
- davrosthedalek 3y ago
  Where is your towel?

londons_explore 3y ago

Many vaccines become 'perfect' by causing the disease they treat to die out in the local community. It doesn't need to be perfect at the individual level to cause that - and in fact many vaccines at the individual level actually have pretty bad metrics - like for example only preventing half of cases.

TylerE 3y ago
You're seeing this in vivo with polio - POLIO!! - starting to make a reappearance in some of the more extremist Hassidic communes in NYC. Those groups do not get vaccines.
- orangepurple 3y ago
  [dead]
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  Polio's complicated because of the differences between the vaccines meaning that external vigilance will be needed even with 100% coverage.
LorenPechtel 3y ago
This is how vaccines are expected to operate. You don't need perfection, just enough to drive the reproduction rate below 1. However, note that this is in a population where there will no doubt be leaks. Even if everyone in the area got the jab that doesn't mean they won't have sex with people who didn't. Thus an infection rate of zero is a good showing.

alfor 3y ago

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kstrauser 3y ago
> We assume the cost is zero but it's not. Please share. What's the health cost of getting this vaccine?
- alfor 3y ago
  I don't know, we don't know, that's the point. They claim a victory (no cancer in some conditions) But don't show the all cause mortality for same sample. You should be skeptical of a study not showing all causes mortality on their own sample. It's very easy to do, you count the dead and living for both samples at the end of the experiment. Yet, they don't. Weird isn't?