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There's already Brother, and fingers-crossed they will keep doing good job. Please don't get distracted, Framework. What you're trying to do is challenging eno

There's already Brother, and fingers-crossed they will keep doing good job. Please don't get distracted, Framework. What you're trying to do is challenging enough already. Notably people will keep saying in every thread about HP that Brother exists, and I don't think Brother is dominating the market. At the end of the day if a ignorant customers keep buying garbage products, it's hard to help.

offsky 3y ago
My brother laser worked great for years. Then I decided to save money and get generic toner. A week later my brother printer bricked itself. It won’t even turn on. Probably a coincidence, but still makes me angry.
- bestouff 3y ago
  Coincidence. Mine has used generic toner for nearly 2 decades.
jdboyd 3y ago
I don't know if this is part of some enshittifying or not, but at first my Brother MFC inkjet (purchased 2021) just worked. But then sometime last year I stopped being able to print from iOS or Android mobile devices and also started having to remove the drivers and reinstall them over and over on both Linux and Windows (and even sometimes macOS). My printer has has a fixed IP from the beginning, and I don't know what is changing, but it is really peaving me. I also was never able to get it scan to a SMB server either. At this point I starting to think of going with an Epson ecotank inkjet as my understanding is those don't enforce getting Epson ink. In the old days a printer might have a part break or wear out, but I never used to run into weird seemingly software problems after the first 2 years of use like I did with this and the Samsung before it.
tyleo 3y ago
Funny, I literally left a comment promoting Brother as you left this one. You speak the truth. :)
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  Brother is enshittifying. They locked out non-OEM cartridges a year and change ago. Their hardware is good (for now), but their software practices are already to the point where I would instantly buy a Framework option and sell my current brother printer.
  - MostlyStable 3y ago
    Even though it is now more than a year since Brother did this, the vast majority of the comments about them are overwhelmingly positive, despite cartridge antics being the majority of the reason why people hate HP printers and others. I wonder how long it will take for their current status to fully penetrate the good will they built up from years of being the not-shitty option.
    - resoluteteeth 3y ago
      I think it will take a while for people to notice because Brother printers last so long, so most of the people praising them are using still printers they bought many years ago.
      - happymellon 3y ago
        My Brother laser must be approaching 10 years, and so from my experience I would completely recommend them. However if they are really turning HP I could never recommend with a good conscious. This is conflicting.
        MostlyStable 3y ago
        Yeah, I have an extremely sour taste in my mouth about them because their firmware update (which I didn't approve), disabled my non-OEM cartidge when it was only partway through. Unfortunately, from an objective standpoint, I'm not sure there is anyone better to recommend. At least we can say that Brothers hardware is good and that, for the most part, it just works when trying to print. I've vertainly never had any issues with it _other_ than them forcing me to swap the DRM chip from my empty starter cartridge into my replacement non-OEM one (and, the fact that this is possible is a sort of half-mark in their favor? I guess?) It's a shitty situation where I'd rather buy from a company that didn't do this but the entire product segment is so bad that I don't think it exists.
cyanydeez 3y ago
they're not ignorant, they're rich. _they dont need to discern a difference, money is all they need._

offsky 3y ago

My brother laser worked great for years. Then I decided to save money and get generic toner. A week later my brother printer bricked itself. It won’t even turn on. Probably a coincidence, but still makes me angry.

bestouff 3y ago
Coincidence. Mine has used generic toner for nearly 2 decades.

jdboyd 3y ago

I don't know if this is part of some enshittifying or not, but at first my Brother MFC inkjet (purchased 2021) just worked. But then sometime last year I stopped being able to print from iOS or Android mobile devices and also started having to remove the drivers and reinstall them over and over on both Linux and Windows (and even sometimes macOS). My printer has has a fixed IP from the beginning, and I don't know what is changing, but it is really peaving me. I also was never able to get it scan to a SMB server either. At this point I starting to think of going with an Epson ecotank inkjet as my understanding is those don't enforce getting Epson ink. In the old days a printer might have a part break or wear out, but I never used to run into weird seemingly software problems after the first 2 years of use like I did with this and the Samsung before it.

tyleo 3y ago

Funny, I literally left a comment promoting Brother as you left this one. You speak the truth. :)

MostlyStable 3y ago
Brother is enshittifying. They locked out non-OEM cartridges a year and change ago. Their hardware is good (for now), but their software practices are already to the point where I would instantly buy a Framework option and sell my current brother printer.
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  Even though it is now more than a year since Brother did this, the vast majority of the comments about them are overwhelmingly positive, despite cartridge antics being the majority of the reason why people hate HP printers and others. I wonder how long it will take for their current status to fully penetrate the good will they built up from years of being the not-shitty option.
  - resoluteteeth 3y ago
    I think it will take a while for people to notice because Brother printers last so long, so most of the people praising them are using still printers they bought many years ago.
    - happymellon 3y ago
      My Brother laser must be approaching 10 years, and so from my experience I would completely recommend them. However if they are really turning HP I could never recommend with a good conscious. This is conflicting.
      - MostlyStable 3y ago
        Yeah, I have an extremely sour taste in my mouth about them because their firmware update (which I didn't approve), disabled my non-OEM cartidge when it was only partway through. Unfortunately, from an objective standpoint, I'm not sure there is anyone better to recommend. At least we can say that Brothers hardware is good and that, for the most part, it just works when trying to print. I've vertainly never had any issues with it _other_ than them forcing me to swap the DRM chip from my empty starter cartridge into my replacement non-OEM one (and, the fact that this is possible is a sort of half-mark in their favor? I guess?) It's a shitty situation where I'd rather buy from a company that didn't do this but the entire product segment is so bad that I don't think it exists.

cyanydeez 3y ago

they're not ignorant, they're rich. _they dont need to discern a difference, money is all they need._