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Its usual BS from Apple. Imagine Microsoft blocking all non-store applications from running on Windows "to help keep users safe". No I'm not cheering for Micros
by pompino 3y ago
Its usual BS from Apple. Imagine Microsoft blocking all non-store applications from running on Windows "to help keep users safe". No I'm not cheering for Microsoft to do the same. Its strange, but I want Apple to be more like Microsoft in this regard.
- hnburnsy 3y agoYeah, if they wanted to keep users safe, all device permissions would be user controlled and all permissions would be default off.
- pompino 3y agoExactly, they're conflating choice with complexity. As you said, you can have any level of control, via various permission levels. I think what would be helpful if there was a concept of a "system admin" profile that you could apply onto any device/computer. Non-technical users may want Apple to be the 'sysadmin' and only use the Apple store, use Apple recommended apps, etc. - Kinda like the an MDM profile. Any other vendor, as a paid/managed service, could supply a more permissive app store, and manage updates, etc. Companies who issue work devices would have their own "profile" to manage the device.
- kaba0 3y agoEvery permission is default off, and ios is the safest computing platform for users (next to android), while windows has a much worse track record.
- hnburnsy 3y agoPermissions that do not need a user prompt... 1. Basic Device Information: Device Name: App can access the device's name, like "John's iPhone." Device Model and OS Version: App can identify the device type (e.g., iPhone 14) and iOS version. Carrier Information: App can access network provider details. Wi-Fi Information: App can determine if Wi-Fi is enabled, but not specific network names or passwords. Battery Level: Accessible without explicit permission: Apps can access the current battery level without needing explicit user consent. 2. Contextual Information: Current Language: App can adapt content based on language settings. Time Zone: App can display time-related information accurately. 3. Necessary Functionality: Push Notifications: Apps can receive push notifications without explicit permission, but users can control this in Settings. Local Network Access: Apps can automatically access devices on the same local network (e.g., a printer). Background App Activity: Some apps can function in the background for tasks like downloading updates or syncing data. 4. Permissions Granted During Installation: Keyboard and Siri: Apps can request full access to the keyboard and Siri without additional prompts. 5. Accelerometer: No permission required: Unlike many other sensors, the accelerometer on iOS devices does not require explicit user permission for the app to access its data. However, there are some limitations: Foreground access: Apps can only access the accelerometer while they are actively in the foreground. Background access is restricted. Privacy concerns: While user consent isn't explicitly requested, some users might still find accelerometer access concerning due to its potential to reveal information about device movement and tilt. Transparency in app descriptions and responsible data handling are crucial. 6. Barometer: No permission required: Similar to the accelerometer, the barometer also doesn't require explicit user permission for access. It functions alongside the Core Motion framework, used for motion and environment-related data.
- addicted 3y agoWindows was created before t security in computing was a thing. It’s an completely invalid comparison. But even if we accept that comparison, how about OSX? OSX has been tremendously secure through its existence and it allowed users to do whatever the F they wanted to do with it until recently.
- PlutoIsAPlanet 3y agoI'd argue that Android is much worse than Windows. all legitimate Windows devices actually get updates. kernel exploit on your Android phone? welp hope your oem does something
- pb7 3y agoMaybe you shouldn't use an example that is synonymous with viruses and malware throughout its history.
- pompino 3y agoThanks, but I like my example, even if you find it inconvenient. I don't find it strange at all that the most popular operating system gets exploited the most. Luckily, Windows is not in the top 5 for reported vulnerabilities. https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php
- pb7 3y agoApple sells billions of iPhones because grandma can’t accidentally install ransomware or a key logger by clicking on the wrong link. There’s nothing you can do to rewrite Windows’ multi-decade reputation for this.
- 12345hn6789 3y agoApple sells billions of iPhones because they're the"cool" phone brand, not because Young people think Grandma needs to stop viruses.
- pb7 3y agoIt’s the “cool” phone brand because it’s a quality product beloved by hundreds of millions of diverse people worldwide. Not having to deal with basic security issues is one of the thousands of reasons why.
- pompino 3y agoThis thread is about Apple's poor decisions, and general bad track record of putting money over user freedom. They are in the wrong for preventing users from installing apps of their choice on a device they paid for. You defending them with a ridiculous talking point about scary viruses and grandma doesn't work anymore, sorry!
- addicted 3y agoOr not publishing documentation (they were also forced by the EU to do so ironically) that has allowed the likes of OpenOffice to read Office docs and become a legitimate alternative, because of security (Office docs are a security risk and showing hackers how they work makes them a bigger security risk…).