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YouTube will not pay that amount of money. There will be deals in the background like usual.

HDThoreaun 3y ago
Afaik there are currently no exceptions to apple's 30% fee. There are some apps, like netflix, that dont have to provide a link to subscribe, but I think thats the biggest exception.
- theturtletalks 3y ago
  And there won't be since Google just got caught giving Spotify a lower rate and now face anti-trust issues. That doesn't mean Apple doesn't give certain apps certain permissions. AFAIK, Apple gives Google special permission to enable VP9/AV1 formats decoding [0] and that's just what we know of. Whether you like it or not, we're heading towards a future where Apple and Google choose who wins and who loses. A good app built on merit will never be able to compete. 0. https://github.com/yattee/yattee/wiki/FAQ https://github.com/yattee/yattee/wiki/FAQ
  - Despegar 3y ago
    The Epic v. Apple trial showed that no one got special deals. And Epic v. Google did show Google gave many companies special deals, like Spotify. Ironically that played a big part with the jury deciding against Google.
    - theturtletalks 3y ago
      Apple doesn’t make backhand deals as far as the 30% commission, but they do give special privileges to certain apps.
      - threeseed 3y ago
        If you're going to make definitive statements it would help to provide sources. Infuse have said that VP9 is supported on AppleTV which requires the same entitlements as iOS.
        theturtletalks 3y ago
        The Yattee FAQ: What are the differences between using AVPlayer and MPV? AVPlayer is a system player component delivered by Apple. It provides best efficiency, performance and system integrations, but number of playable videos formats is limited. This means for Invidious/Piped videos the maximum resolution you can play with it is 1080p. There's no way to play higher resolution files as they are not provided in the right formats. Obviously, modern Apple devices are more than capable to hardware decode and play these formats. And in fact, Apple seems to be giving special entitlement to Google that allows them to enable VP9/AV1 formats decoding. Just remember that next time you hear how Apple treats all developers equally. Source: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-m1-vp9-av1-decoding.2269938/page-2?post=29417159#post-29417159 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-m1-vp9-av1-decodi... It’s from 2020 so it might’ve changed but it proves Apple gives certain apps special privileges. Who knows which other apps are given privileges and to what extent?
        thund 3y ago
        Your sources?
- lucb1e 3y ago
  Someone I know pays 15% because they're a small business, so that would be one exception
Hamuko 3y ago
Why wouldn't YouTube just distribute through App Store like normal? It's not like they are paying Apple per download there.
- axlee 3y ago
  I think Apple will be a lot more hurt by not having Youtube on their devices than the other way around. Youtube is ubiquitous and has no alternative. If I was Alphabet, the price would be 0.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Youtube is ubiquitous and has no alternative If it isn’t on iOS it isn’t ubiquitous. It’s left the highest-earning viewers on the table.
    - radicalbyte 3y ago
      If Roblox, Youtube and Netflix went Android only then I'd be replacing all of our iPads with Android Tablets post-haste.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > if Roblox, Youtube and Netflix went Android only then I'd be replacing all of our iPads with Android Tablets post-haste Sure. Most wouldn’t. YouTube and Netflix would lose tens of billions of present value overnight. Hell, Apple might capture a good fraction of that surplus.
        realusername 3y ago
        Yeah sure, people will give up on YouTube and Netflix to use iOS, that's not going to happen. They'll suffer through using Safari to access those and that'll reduce the perceived value of iOS devices for future purchases since it will be seen as clunky and not seamless. Not being able to use YouTube properly is also one of the reasons (among others) of why Windows mobile failed. Youtube is a monopoly and there's no way around it.
kaba0 3y ago
Well, that and meta is the very reason behind these changes.

Afaik there are currently no exceptions to apple's 30% fee. There are some apps, like netflix, that dont have to provide a link to subscribe, but I think thats the biggest exception.

theturtletalks 3y ago
And there won't be since Google just got caught giving Spotify a lower rate and now face anti-trust issues. That doesn't mean Apple doesn't give certain apps certain permissions. AFAIK, Apple gives Google special permission to enable VP9/AV1 formats decoding [0] and that's just what we know of. Whether you like it or not, we're heading towards a future where Apple and Google choose who wins and who loses. A good app built on merit will never be able to compete. 0. https://github.com/yattee/yattee/wiki/FAQ https://github.com/yattee/yattee/wiki/FAQ
- Despegar 3y ago
  The Epic v. Apple trial showed that no one got special deals. And Epic v. Google did show Google gave many companies special deals, like Spotify. Ironically that played a big part with the jury deciding against Google.
  - theturtletalks 3y ago
    Apple doesn’t make backhand deals as far as the 30% commission, but they do give special privileges to certain apps.
    - threeseed 3y ago
      If you're going to make definitive statements it would help to provide sources. Infuse have said that VP9 is supported on AppleTV which requires the same entitlements as iOS.
      - theturtletalks 3y ago
        The Yattee FAQ: What are the differences between using AVPlayer and MPV? AVPlayer is a system player component delivered by Apple. It provides best efficiency, performance and system integrations, but number of playable videos formats is limited. This means for Invidious/Piped videos the maximum resolution you can play with it is 1080p. There's no way to play higher resolution files as they are not provided in the right formats. Obviously, modern Apple devices are more than capable to hardware decode and play these formats. And in fact, Apple seems to be giving special entitlement to Google that allows them to enable VP9/AV1 formats decoding. Just remember that next time you hear how Apple treats all developers equally. Source: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-m1-vp9-av1-decoding.2269938/page-2?post=29417159#post-29417159 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-m1-vp9-av1-decodi... It’s from 2020 so it might’ve changed but it proves Apple gives certain apps special privileges. Who knows which other apps are given privileges and to what extent?
      - thund 3y ago
        Your sources?
lucb1e 3y ago
Someone I know pays 15% because they're a small business, so that would be one exception

Hamuko 3y ago

Why wouldn't YouTube just distribute through App Store like normal? It's not like they are paying Apple per download there.

axlee 3y ago
I think Apple will be a lot more hurt by not having Youtube on their devices than the other way around. Youtube is ubiquitous and has no alternative. If I was Alphabet, the price would be 0.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Youtube is ubiquitous and has no alternative If it isn’t on iOS it isn’t ubiquitous. It’s left the highest-earning viewers on the table.
  - radicalbyte 3y ago
    If Roblox, Youtube and Netflix went Android only then I'd be replacing all of our iPads with Android Tablets post-haste.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > if Roblox, Youtube and Netflix went Android only then I'd be replacing all of our iPads with Android Tablets post-haste Sure. Most wouldn’t. YouTube and Netflix would lose tens of billions of present value overnight. Hell, Apple might capture a good fraction of that surplus.
      - realusername 3y ago
        Yeah sure, people will give up on YouTube and Netflix to use iOS, that's not going to happen. They'll suffer through using Safari to access those and that'll reduce the perceived value of iOS devices for future purchases since it will be seen as clunky and not seamless. Not being able to use YouTube properly is also one of the reasons (among others) of why Windows mobile failed. Youtube is a monopoly and there's no way around it.

kaba0 3y ago

Well, that and meta is the very reason behind these changes.