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> This change is a result of the DMA’s requirements, and means that EU users will be confronted with a list of default browsers before they have the opportunity

> This change is a result of the DMA’s requirements, and means that EU users will be confronted with a list of default browsers before they have the opportunity to understand the options available to them. The screen also interrupts EU users’ experience the first time they open Safari intending to navigate to a webpage. How will users be able to understand the options in front of them unless they are presented with it in the first place?

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duxup 3y ago
I honestly thing this is a hard thing to solve. You can't make people care and constant notifications are just fucking horrible / doesn't help IMO. And I'm honestly not sure most people would understand anyway ...
- hot_gril 3y ago
  "Do you accept cookies?" I wish there were a non-browser-extension way to auto-accept.
  - v7p1Qbt1im 3y ago
    Or auto-reject.
  - idle_zealot 3y ago
    It would've been so nice if the EU had required there be an automated way to choose Accept All and Only Necessary options. They could've even reused the existing DNT header!
    - kklisura 3y ago
      What would be even nicer if companies just respected DNT header without any govs involvement, right?
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      Yeah, it was basically DNT except with teeth, would've made sense.
    - Voultapher 3y ago
      A Berlin court ruled that DNT counts as an opt out. Linkedin was the defendant that lost, but it is a precedent. There are also talks of outright banning targeted advertising in its entirety and only allowing other forms such as contextual ads.
  - dariosalvi78 3y ago
    there is: stardust cookie cutter
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      But it's an extension, if I understand correctly.
  - Aerbil313 3y ago
    Tangential, does anybody know a working cookie blocker extension for iOS Safari?
ttrrooppeerr 3y ago
This reads like a crybaby manager upset with their future metrics.
- user_7832 3y ago
  The entire thing reads like the corporate version of a teenager throwing a tantrum.
  - DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
    It makes Apple look bad overall to me; what's worse for Apple is that I'm a dev: they're supposed to be making themselves look good to people like me so that I'm attracted to their platform, but their churlishness is putting me off. My micro-ISV stopped shipping an iOS app a few years ago when Safari's support for PWAs made it viable to reimplement our app as a PWA so that we no-longer needed to deal with App Store hassle (faffing around with a Mac Mini we'd only use a few times a year, confusing certificates/entitlements/etc, not to mention the capriciously enforced store app review policies). ...but I'm probably just being nostalgic for the early days of indie iOS apps. Those times are long gone, perhaps Apple actually isn't interested in attracting small devs to their platform anymore?
coryfklein 3y ago
There are literally thousands of options for configuring your device in the Preferences app. Should we put all of them in front of the user's face the first time they set up their phone? How would they know those options exist otherwise? Knowing that you can configure your phone's behavior should be a basic point of technology literacy. I know that it isn't at 100% today, but what percent of users are now going to have yet another forced decision to make before using their phone for the first time, just so a minority of technology illiterate users can be "educated".
- throw10920 3y ago
  > There are literally thousands of options for configuring your device in the Preferences app. Should we put all of them in front of the user's face the first time they set up their phone? This is an absurd comparison. The choice of picking the default web browser, a complex pieces of critical software on everyone's mobile device, is categorically different than almost every single one of the other preferences on the device. You'd have to be completely insane to claim that e.g. the preference of whether a double-tapping space on the soft keyboard should insert a period is remotely comparable to choosing the default web browser.
- lxgr 3y ago
  Apple themselves don't seem to have a problem with displaying a red notification dot/badge on the "Settings" app to anyone who doesn't set up any card in Apple Pay on their new devices, at least.

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duxup 3y ago

I honestly thing this is a hard thing to solve. You can't make people care and constant notifications are just fucking horrible / doesn't help IMO. And I'm honestly not sure most people would understand anyway ...

hot_gril 3y ago
"Do you accept cookies?" I wish there were a non-browser-extension way to auto-accept.
- v7p1Qbt1im 3y ago
  Or auto-reject.
- idle_zealot 3y ago
  It would've been so nice if the EU had required there be an automated way to choose Accept All and Only Necessary options. They could've even reused the existing DNT header!
  - kklisura 3y ago
    What would be even nicer if companies just respected DNT header without any govs involvement, right?
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    Yeah, it was basically DNT except with teeth, would've made sense.
  - Voultapher 3y ago
    A Berlin court ruled that DNT counts as an opt out. Linkedin was the defendant that lost, but it is a precedent. There are also talks of outright banning targeted advertising in its entirety and only allowing other forms such as contextual ads.
- dariosalvi78 3y ago
  there is: stardust cookie cutter
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    But it's an extension, if I understand correctly.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  Tangential, does anybody know a working cookie blocker extension for iOS Safari?

ttrrooppeerr 3y ago

This reads like a crybaby manager upset with their future metrics.

user_7832 3y ago
The entire thing reads like the corporate version of a teenager throwing a tantrum.
- DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
  It makes Apple look bad overall to me; what's worse for Apple is that I'm a dev: they're supposed to be making themselves look good to people like me so that I'm attracted to their platform, but their churlishness is putting me off. My micro-ISV stopped shipping an iOS app a few years ago when Safari's support for PWAs made it viable to reimplement our app as a PWA so that we no-longer needed to deal with App Store hassle (faffing around with a Mac Mini we'd only use a few times a year, confusing certificates/entitlements/etc, not to mention the capriciously enforced store app review policies). ...but I'm probably just being nostalgic for the early days of indie iOS apps. Those times are long gone, perhaps Apple actually isn't interested in attracting small devs to their platform anymore?

coryfklein 3y ago

There are literally thousands of options for configuring your device in the Preferences app. Should we put all of them in front of the user's face the first time they set up their phone? How would they know those options exist otherwise? Knowing that you can configure your phone's behavior should be a basic point of technology literacy. I know that it isn't at 100% today, but what percent of users are now going to have yet another forced decision to make before using their phone for the first time, just so a minority of technology illiterate users can be "educated".

throw10920 3y ago
> There are literally thousands of options for configuring your device in the Preferences app. Should we put all of them in front of the user's face the first time they set up their phone? This is an absurd comparison. The choice of picking the default web browser, a complex pieces of critical software on everyone's mobile device, is categorically different than almost every single one of the other preferences on the device. You'd have to be completely insane to claim that e.g. the preference of whether a double-tapping space on the soft keyboard should insert a period is remotely comparable to choosing the default web browser.
lxgr 3y ago
Apple themselves don't seem to have a problem with displaying a red notification dot/badge on the "Settings" app to anyone who doesn't set up any card in Apple Pay on their new devices, at least.