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For what it’s worth, I did not know that, and I find it disappointing. Is there evidence that previous nomination processes were rigged in a way similar to what

For what it’s worth, I did not know that, and I find it disappointing. Is there evidence that previous nomination processes were rigged in a way similar to what is suggested here?

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aspenmayer 3y ago
I think this is exactly what you’re looking for. I’m reading through it now. Please reply with your findings if you have the time and inclination. https://alpennia.com/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics https://alpennia.com/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distrib... More info at my original thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132517
cstross 3y ago
It's bullshit. There was an extensive campaign in favour of a particular faction circa 2013-17 organized by two loose groups (the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies) which in retrospect were best understood as dry runs for Gamergate, but they flopped (all they could do was rig the shortlist: but the Hugo voters are allowed to vote "no award" if they don't like the menu, and they did so with gusto until the rules could be reformed to make nomination-brigading impractical). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  > which in retrospect were best understood as dry runs for Gamergate Gamergate kicked off between the 2nd and 3rd Sad Puppy slates and before the 1st Rabid Puppy.
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- TheCoelacanth 3y ago
  And even in the case of those campaigns "rigging" meant campaigning to get people to vote in a way that many people found distasteful and that was probably against the spirit of the awards, not that any actual rules were violated. That's very different than this case where there is evidence of fraudulent tabulation of votes and gross misapplication of the eligibility rules.
- gred 3y ago
  > which in retrospect were best understood as dry runs for Gamergate Where do I sign up for this monolithic Vast Right-wing Media Conspiracy? How much are the annual dues? I always get left out of these things!
araes 3y ago
From the blog post being passed around (9 categories of entries with distribution per nominee) 2022 was a semi-normal year. https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics/images/2022-distribution.jpg?itok=c2h-1mDu https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public... 2015 is the worst prior year. https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics/images/2015-distribution.jpg?itok=P_IKIDZd https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public... 2023 has weird cliff voting. https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics/images/2023-distribution.jpg?itok=BuoSa98A https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public...
- mintplant 3y ago
  For reference, 2015 was the year the "Sad Puppies"/"Rabid Puppies" slates tried hard to skew the vote for the alt-right, and managed to distort the set of nominated works. "No Award" won many categories that year as a protest vote by WorldCon attendees. (Many jokes were made that year about "Noah Ward", multi-Hugo-winning author extraordinaire...) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies

For what it’s worth, I did not know that, and I find it disappointing. Is there evidence that previous nomination processes were rigged in a way similar to what is suggested here?

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aspenmayer 3y ago

I think this is exactly what you’re looking for. I’m reading through it now. Please reply with your findings if you have the time and inclination. https://alpennia.com/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics https://alpennia.com/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distrib... More info at my original thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132517

cstross 3y ago

It's bullshit. There was an extensive campaign in favour of a particular faction circa 2013-17 organized by two loose groups (the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies) which in retrospect were best understood as dry runs for Gamergate, but they flopped (all they could do was rig the shortlist: but the Hugo voters are allowed to vote "no award" if they don't like the menu, and they did so with gusto until the rules could be reformed to make nomination-brigading impractical). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies

bigbillheck 3y ago
> which in retrospect were best understood as dry runs for Gamergate Gamergate kicked off between the 2nd and 3rd Sad Puppy slates and before the 1st Rabid Puppy.
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TheCoelacanth 3y ago
And even in the case of those campaigns "rigging" meant campaigning to get people to vote in a way that many people found distasteful and that was probably against the spirit of the awards, not that any actual rules were violated. That's very different than this case where there is evidence of fraudulent tabulation of votes and gross misapplication of the eligibility rules.
gred 3y ago
> which in retrospect were best understood as dry runs for Gamergate Where do I sign up for this monolithic Vast Right-wing Media Conspiracy? How much are the annual dues? I always get left out of these things!

araes 3y ago

From the blog post being passed around (9 categories of entries with distribution per nominee) 2022 was a semi-normal year. https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics/images/2022-distribution.jpg?itok=c2h-1mDu https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public... 2015 is the worst prior year. https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics/images/2015-distribution.jpg?itok=P_IKIDZd https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public... 2023 has weird cliff voting. https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/blog/comparison-hugo-nomination-distribution-statistics/images/2023-distribution.jpg?itok=BuoSa98A https://alpennia.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public...

mintplant 3y ago
For reference, 2015 was the year the "Sad Puppies"/"Rabid Puppies" slates tried hard to skew the vote for the alt-right, and managed to distort the set of nominated works. "No Award" won many categories that year as a protest vote by WorldCon attendees. (Many jokes were made that year about "Noah Ward", multi-Hugo-winning author extraordinaire...) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies