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Some good points from Raskin about the entangled relationship between the freedom of thought and the freedom of expression. But then regarding recommender syste

Some good points from Raskin about the entangled relationship between the freedom of thought and the freedom of expression. But then regarding recommender systems and generative AI, I think he is saying pretty much what Lessig was saying earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37999405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37999405

glitchc 3y ago
So, I think this doesn't fly. Lessig is trying to extrapolate rules for a broadcast medium (magazines, newspapers, tv) onto a decentralized peer-to-peer medium, and it just doesn't work. If you have my IP and I have yours, we can share information without requiring an intermediate data broker. What Lessig is advocating for would make all ISPs, DNSes and backbone providers, the defacto gatekeepers of an essentially decentralized system. And even then, it won't stop me from sending you a packet over the local network, or establishing my own local internet.
- jruohonen 3y ago
  The solutions are one thing, sure, but I was merely referring to this comment from Lessig: Q: "Just to be clear, this is the generative AIs, not the recommendation algorithm AIs." A: "I think they’re the same thing right now. They will be deployed hand in glove in order to achieve the objective of the person deploying them." Therefore, I am little skeptical also about Raskin's take that recommender systems would be "unsophisticated". If you look at TikTok, the contrary holds (even if his argument about misalignment is true).
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  I am sometimes not certain when they are talking about "the internet", whether they actually mean the Internet, or US platforms (including US Tiktok). The suggested copyright-tracking US federal blockchain solution might work decently on the latter, but (thankfully) certainly not on the former.

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Some good points from Raskin about the entangled relationship between the freedom of thought and the freedom of expression. But then regarding recommender syste

by jruohonen 3y ago

glitchc 3y ago
So, I think this doesn't fly. Lessig is trying to extrapolate rules for a broadcast medium (magazines, newspapers, tv) onto a decentralized peer-to-peer medium, and it just doesn't work. If you have my IP and I have yours, we can share information without requiring an intermediate data broker. What Lessig is advocating for would make all ISPs, DNSes and backbone providers, the defacto gatekeepers of an essentially decentralized system. And even then, it won't stop me from sending you a packet over the local network, or establishing my own local internet.
- jruohonen 3y ago
  The solutions are one thing, sure, but I was merely referring to this comment from Lessig: Q: "Just to be clear, this is the generative AIs, not the recommendation algorithm AIs." A: "I think they’re the same thing right now. They will be deployed hand in glove in order to achieve the objective of the person deploying them." Therefore, I am little skeptical also about Raskin's take that recommender systems would be "unsophisticated". If you look at TikTok, the contrary holds (even if his argument about misalignment is true).
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  I am sometimes not certain when they are talking about "the internet", whether they actually mean the Internet, or US platforms (including US Tiktok). The suggested copyright-tracking US federal blockchain solution might work decently on the latter, but (thankfully) certainly not on the former.