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I'll word it differently: he seems very politically biased about the economy and makes it a social issue, having a dictatorship on speech and making everyone st

by graphe 3y ago

I'll word it differently: he seems very politically biased about the economy and makes it a social issue, having a dictatorship on speech and making everyone stop wrongthink or keeping copyright forever isn't going to improve GDP or economy.

ta1243 3y ago
You seem to think that improving GDP is a goal. Many cultures don't think that, they look at the damage from a high GDP and think that it is more important that the environment is protected. If you banned the burning of oil in the US, that would be awful for GDP, but many americans would like that. You seem to think that the ideals of the American view of Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and ever increasing GDP, are inalienable. That's a very myopic view of the world.
- graphe 3y ago
  We're talking about the economy so the GDP matters, not the social aspects so it does matter. Culture isn't government either. I don't think the US citizens today agree with the us government. But I don't talk about them interchangeably as you do, perhaps you could somewhat make a case for china but most cultures don't associate the citizens as one with government. >If you banned the burning of oil in the US, that would be awful for GDP, but many americans would like that. If I banned it, nobody would listen to me because people need to heat their homes, and get food to live. You don't get to pretend to turn off the power, lower the GPD a little and say "many Americans happy". That is fantasy.
- addicted 3y ago
  Which cultures don’t have improving GDP, or more accurately, becoming wealthier, because GDP is just a metric to measure wealth (and an unfortunately inaccurate one at that) as a goal?
  - ta1243 3y ago
    There's plenty of criticism about GDP https://time.com/5118026/gdp-metric-success-wealth/ https://time.com/5118026/gdp-metric-success-wealth/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/forget-gdp-for-the-21st-century-we-need-a-modern-economic-measure/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/forget-gdp-for-the-21... And many cultures think that a few large companies getting richer while the rest of the country gets poorer is not a worthy goal. You may not think that, but given that plenty of people think GDP is terrible now. I'm not sure how you can assert a future culture will look back and go "In the future, humans will look back on our era and wonder why we accepted the idea that governments should have so much power to interfere with the economy" I personally think it's much more likely they'll look back in disgust at the companies that put GDP above other factors, and the governments which didn't interfere with the economy would be the ones to blame given that many cultures today think that.

by graphe 3y ago

ta1243 3y ago

You seem to think that improving GDP is a goal. Many cultures don't think that, they look at the damage from a high GDP and think that it is more important that the environment is protected. If you banned the burning of oil in the US, that would be awful for GDP, but many americans would like that. You seem to think that the ideals of the American view of Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and ever increasing GDP, are inalienable. That's a very myopic view of the world.

graphe 3y ago
We're talking about the economy so the GDP matters, not the social aspects so it does matter. Culture isn't government either. I don't think the US citizens today agree with the us government. But I don't talk about them interchangeably as you do, perhaps you could somewhat make a case for china but most cultures don't associate the citizens as one with government. >If you banned the burning of oil in the US, that would be awful for GDP, but many americans would like that. If I banned it, nobody would listen to me because people need to heat their homes, and get food to live. You don't get to pretend to turn off the power, lower the GPD a little and say "many Americans happy". That is fantasy.
addicted 3y ago
Which cultures don’t have improving GDP, or more accurately, becoming wealthier, because GDP is just a metric to measure wealth (and an unfortunately inaccurate one at that) as a goal?
- ta1243 3y ago
  There's plenty of criticism about GDP https://time.com/5118026/gdp-metric-success-wealth/ https://time.com/5118026/gdp-metric-success-wealth/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/forget-gdp-for-the-21st-century-we-need-a-modern-economic-measure/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/forget-gdp-for-the-21... And many cultures think that a few large companies getting richer while the rest of the country gets poorer is not a worthy goal. You may not think that, but given that plenty of people think GDP is terrible now. I'm not sure how you can assert a future culture will look back and go "In the future, humans will look back on our era and wonder why we accepted the idea that governments should have so much power to interfere with the economy" I personally think it's much more likely they'll look back in disgust at the companies that put GDP above other factors, and the governments which didn't interfere with the economy would be the ones to blame given that many cultures today think that.