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We have a deep-founded believe that the atom is the core of reality. And everything emerges from there. This materialism stems from René Descartes and his fel

We have a deep-founded believe that the atom is the core of reality. And everything emerges from there. This materialism stems from René Descartes and his fellow philosophers. And in the West it's often subconsciously combined it with evolutional theory. consciousness developed because it was useful somehow. However that's a very big leap to make. Both theories have good arguments going for them but are very theoretical and need a lot more proof. Yet they form the basis for pretty much all Western thought From a scientific perspective we have no idea how to create new consciousness or what it is. From a human's experience it's more the other way around, reality is an emerging property of consciousness. At the same time we also learned that matter & time is not as solid as we thought a few centuries ago.

tracerbulletx 3y ago
In the brain there is an emergent reflection of a material reality happening where the brain is creating a fully constructed model of the world with its own independent existence, our day to day experience is a dream that's cohering to sense input. Whether or not that is what consciousness or our apparent point of view lives I don't know because I don't see how to logically prove it either way, but experimentally it seems like it does because our experiences align, and because you can alter people's state of consciousness through chemical and physical means.
- wouldbecouldbe 3y ago
  What you're saying is the brain creates the illusion of a consciousness, that's something you would need more proof for now you're just assuming it because it's the dominant view based op on our materialistic culture. If anything you are arguing the world is an illusion, not consciousness. You can change what inputs a being get visually & other stimuli. But you don't the change consciousness itself. The pictures & emotions change, but the experiencer doesn't. Same with dementia, the body & connection to the world changes, the inner consciousness & it's ability to experience doesn't. The irony is that we believe the world is real because our brain/conciousness does a really good job. Take for instance the simple fact that certain cultures can't distuingish green from blue. Or certain animals almost live based on feel of audio. Which experience of reality is the "real" world? Materialism feels natural because our world feels real. But what we think is real and solid is what our brain has created for us, in reality both us and the world is very intertwined and hard to separate experience & experiencer.

tracerbulletx 3y ago

In the brain there is an emergent reflection of a material reality happening where the brain is creating a fully constructed model of the world with its own independent existence, our day to day experience is a dream that's cohering to sense input. Whether or not that is what consciousness or our apparent point of view lives I don't know because I don't see how to logically prove it either way, but experimentally it seems like it does because our experiences align, and because you can alter people's state of consciousness through chemical and physical means.

wouldbecouldbe 3y ago
What you're saying is the brain creates the illusion of a consciousness, that's something you would need more proof for now you're just assuming it because it's the dominant view based op on our materialistic culture. If anything you are arguing the world is an illusion, not consciousness. You can change what inputs a being get visually & other stimuli. But you don't the change consciousness itself. The pictures & emotions change, but the experiencer doesn't. Same with dementia, the body & connection to the world changes, the inner consciousness & it's ability to experience doesn't. The irony is that we believe the world is real because our brain/conciousness does a really good job. Take for instance the simple fact that certain cultures can't distuingish green from blue. Or certain animals almost live based on feel of audio. Which experience of reality is the "real" world? Materialism feels natural because our world feels real. But what we think is real and solid is what our brain has created for us, in reality both us and the world is very intertwined and hard to separate experience & experiencer.