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> but...perfect? Really? You can't think of anything that maybe could have gone better? The context of the comment in the article referred to the “pinpoint lan

by csa 3y ago

> but...perfect? Really? You can't think of anything that maybe could have gone better? The context of the comment in the article referred to the “pinpoint landing” aspect of the landing. They narrowed down the landing range from 10,000m (10k) to 100m… two orders of magnitude. From the the article, emphasis mine: > For the pinpoint landing, Sakai said, he would give SLIM a "perfect score." > "We demonstrated that we can land where we want," Sakai said. "We opened a door to a new era." I don’t know if this comment was made in English or Japanese, but I could see how a very specific comment about the pinpoint aspect of the landing in Japanese could be vague when translated into English. I don’t think anyone is disillusioned enough to think the overall landing was perfect.

smeej 3y ago
I think I was including "landing" in the relevant part of "pinpoint landing," not just the pinpoint element, which was what made it amusing. It did (apparently) "land" and not "crash" (or at least that's what I'm assuming from the fact that it isn't crushed/doesn't look like it made primary impact on some part that was not intended for impact), but "landing and falling over" doesn't normally earns a perfect score in any other common context.
- johnwalkr 3y ago
  I work in the industry and "pinpoint landing" refers to the accuracy part. If he was talking about landing in general, the sentence would be something like "the landing didn't go as expected, but we achieved a pinpoint landing".
mathrawka 3y ago
Actually Japanese quote from the Project Manager, Sakai-san, is: > いろんな意味で新しい扉が開き、今後、これまでできなかったようなミッションができるようになるのでは。そこが一番の意義ではないか I'm far from a translator... but it is not "We opened a door" but "A door is open to do missions that were not possible before". And he says that might be the most important takeaway from this project. https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/08a8bfdd7a41486140a97a85705975f24939705f https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/08a8bfdd7a41486140a97a8570...
- lmm 3y ago
  > I'm far from a translator... but it is not "We opened a door" but "A door is open to do missions that were not possible before". You're being overly literal. Omitting the subject is normal in Japanese; translating that to a passive-voiced sentence in English is usually misleading.
  - mathrawka 3y ago
    Yes, but... 新しい扉が開き vs 新しい扉を開き
    - lmm 3y ago
      Again, not a distinction that carries the same nuance that it would in English. The whole animate/inanimate distinction just isn't there in the same way in non-indo-european languages.
      - mathrawka 3y ago
        新しい扉が開きが makes the subject the door, not JAXA. Plus it would be very uncharacteristic of a Japanese person in that position making such a bold claim. It goes against Japanese society norms.
- atahanacar 3y ago
  >Opening a new door in many senses (or "in different ways" if you want to take some liberty), from now on, missions that couldn't be done until now will become possible. Isn't it the most important (thing)? Translation for those wondering.

by csa 3y ago

smeej 3y ago

I think I was including "landing" in the relevant part of "pinpoint landing," not just the pinpoint element, which was what made it amusing. It did (apparently) "land" and not "crash" (or at least that's what I'm assuming from the fact that it isn't crushed/doesn't look like it made primary impact on some part that was not intended for impact), but "landing and falling over" doesn't normally earns a perfect score in any other common context.

johnwalkr 3y ago
I work in the industry and "pinpoint landing" refers to the accuracy part. If he was talking about landing in general, the sentence would be something like "the landing didn't go as expected, but we achieved a pinpoint landing".

mathrawka 3y ago

Actually Japanese quote from the Project Manager, Sakai-san, is: > いろんな意味で新しい扉が開き、今後、これまでできなかったようなミッションができるようになるのでは。そこが一番の意義ではないか I'm far from a translator... but it is not "We opened a door" but "A door is open to do missions that were not possible before". And he says that might be the most important takeaway from this project. https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/08a8bfdd7a41486140a97a85705975f24939705f https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/08a8bfdd7a41486140a97a8570...

lmm 3y ago
> I'm far from a translator... but it is not "We opened a door" but "A door is open to do missions that were not possible before". You're being overly literal. Omitting the subject is normal in Japanese; translating that to a passive-voiced sentence in English is usually misleading.
- mathrawka 3y ago
  Yes, but... 新しい扉が開き vs 新しい扉を開き
  - lmm 3y ago
    Again, not a distinction that carries the same nuance that it would in English. The whole animate/inanimate distinction just isn't there in the same way in non-indo-european languages.
    - mathrawka 3y ago
      新しい扉が開きが makes the subject the door, not JAXA. Plus it would be very uncharacteristic of a Japanese person in that position making such a bold claim. It goes against Japanese society norms.
atahanacar 3y ago
>Opening a new door in many senses (or "in different ways" if you want to take some liberty), from now on, missions that couldn't be done until now will become possible. Isn't it the most important (thing)? Translation for those wondering.