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I don't feel the need for this for commuting by bike, even in cold Norway. Mostly because I for commuting am never that out of breath that my lungs hurt. Howev

I don't feel the need for this for commuting by bike, even in cold Norway. Mostly because I for commuting am never that out of breath that my lungs hurt. However, I use the Lung Plus variant often when cross country skiing. When it's -15C and below, pushing myself for an hour or more outdoors can make me cough all evening. Lots of people have cold induced asthma from training too hard outdoors in their youths. But with this I'm fine. Also, the main point for me isn't necessarily the temperature, but that it retains more moisture. -15C can feel vastly different in humid Oslo, compared to the dryness of the mountain pass Hardangervidda. This feels like it "helps" avoiding dry coughing. I don't really like the mask variants. If covid thought people with glasses anything, it's that masks fogs everything up! My Lung Plus mostly fogs if I'm standing still, then I breath straight ahead and into my glasses, otherwise it's fine. My girlfriend however recently bought a "OXYO one", which is the same concept. But it has more of a "snorkel" bite piece, and moves the air to the sides instead. So it's a bit smarter in that regard. I guess looks is the main drawback. And how the saliva freezes, heh, look at the icicle in my picture. This is me the other day in -24C: https://imgur.com/a/NXm8P79 https://imgur.com/a/NXm8P79

fsckboy 3y ago
>And how the saliva freezes, heh, look at the icicle in my picture it's probably condensate from the humidity of breath, no?
- matsemann 3y ago
  Yeah, mostly. But when it thaws it's quite sticky, so definitely some spit as well!
glormph 3y ago
I considered a lung plus but the risk of tripping while running and it hitting my teeth made me buy a mask instead which also covers the nose. Icicles form on that too though.
- matsemann 3y ago
  That's why I added a string to it and around my neck. Then I can just spit it out with little consequences if I approach something scary. But for skiing that's mostly corners at the end of a steep hill. For running I guess a fall could happen at any time.
- Moru 3y ago
  The lungplus can be worn between your teeth and compresses nicely if you have an accident. But spit it out is ofcourse better if you have the chance.
grogenaut 3y ago
My problem is when it's that cold my nasal tissues swell and close up so I'm only breathing through my mouth like I had nose plugs. Unpleasent
speedgoose 3y ago
I am not Norwegian, but I live in Norway and I do as the Norwegians do. If many neighbours go skiing, I can go skiing. The temperature reached -30C around Oslo this month and the absence of skiers in the Marka was a clear indication that I could stay home without feeling bad about it.
- matsemann 3y ago
  Haha, I approve! I was actually one of those in Marka. The problem wasn't really getting cold. It was that cold snow doesn't compress to a form, it just gets really crunchy. So even in fresh tracks the snow is still somewhat "loose", and there is really no glide at all. The sound just makes lots of noise for each movement, but you get no speed.
  - speedgoose 3y ago
    That’s interesting. It was very cold snow for a while but I haven’t tried when it was super cold. I may try next time this happens to satisfy my curiosity. The snow is much faster since a few days.
  - semi-extrinsic 3y ago
    I haven't tested how it is with the new non-fluorocarbon glide waxes, but definitely with the old stuff the very cold snow was a killer for stripping wax out of the base. Probably would do wonders with a fresh round of Swix TS5B melted on the glide portion of a cleaned sole, then wait 10 minutes and reheat the wax for extra durability. Then sikling and light brushing with the medium bronze. And just some VP30 over base binder for grip.
    - matsemann 3y ago
      My impression is that fluor mainly shined in wet or dirty conditions, and weren't that big of a deal in colder temps other than durability. At least I've had problems with -20 snow all my life, so even before the prohibition, heh. Maaaybe TS would make a difference, but no way I'm shelling out that kind of money for a normal day in the mountains. Mostly using PS6 as a base, and then perhaps something more specific for the daily conditions if warmer, but seldom anything more fancy than PS, maybe HS for a long trip.
avar 3y ago
Have you tried using this this with full size (downhill) ski goggles? It'll enclose your eyes and glasses from your nose. If you get good anti -fog goggles (expensive) you should be able to mostly or entirely avoid the fogging. Not just because of the fancy lens, but some ski goggles stick so for out that your exhale tends to travel up and along their sides, and not over the lenses.
foobarian 3y ago
I've been thinking of grabbing one of those fume hood helmets where the head covering has a generously sized visor, and hook up the pipes to a backpack-located heat- and air-exchanger. Possibly even inject the warm air from the top alongside the transparent material. How nice would that be in freezing cold! Like a cheap DIY space suit.
- matsemann 3y ago
  Just be careful you don't end up with a system where you breathe the same air in and out and suffocate! Like a child using am adult snorkel, where they only move the same air back and forth and pass out.
brunoqc 3y ago
Any link for the "OXYO one"? I can't seem to find it.
- matsemann 3y ago
  Here's where she bought it from https://www.foss-sport.no/blunds/168592/oxyo-sport-varmeveksler-for-bruk-ved-aktivitet-i-kald-luft https://www.foss-sport.no/blunds/168592/oxyo-sport-varmeveks... Edit: and I've seen it in loads of various sport stores in Norway. But from all my searching I only find a few Norwegian results. Making me think it's either a Norwegian product, or rebranded by the importer. But reverse image search doesn't really yield any similar looking products either.
  - brunoqc 3y ago
    Thanks!

fsckboy 3y ago

>And how the saliva freezes, heh, look at the icicle in my picture it's probably condensate from the humidity of breath, no?

matsemann 3y ago
Yeah, mostly. But when it thaws it's quite sticky, so definitely some spit as well!

glormph 3y ago

I considered a lung plus but the risk of tripping while running and it hitting my teeth made me buy a mask instead which also covers the nose. Icicles form on that too though.

matsemann 3y ago
That's why I added a string to it and around my neck. Then I can just spit it out with little consequences if I approach something scary. But for skiing that's mostly corners at the end of a steep hill. For running I guess a fall could happen at any time.
Moru 3y ago
The lungplus can be worn between your teeth and compresses nicely if you have an accident. But spit it out is ofcourse better if you have the chance.

grogenaut 3y ago

My problem is when it's that cold my nasal tissues swell and close up so I'm only breathing through my mouth like I had nose plugs. Unpleasent

speedgoose 3y ago

I am not Norwegian, but I live in Norway and I do as the Norwegians do. If many neighbours go skiing, I can go skiing. The temperature reached -30C around Oslo this month and the absence of skiers in the Marka was a clear indication that I could stay home without feeling bad about it.

matsemann 3y ago
Haha, I approve! I was actually one of those in Marka. The problem wasn't really getting cold. It was that cold snow doesn't compress to a form, it just gets really crunchy. So even in fresh tracks the snow is still somewhat "loose", and there is really no glide at all. The sound just makes lots of noise for each movement, but you get no speed.
- speedgoose 3y ago
  That’s interesting. It was very cold snow for a while but I haven’t tried when it was super cold. I may try next time this happens to satisfy my curiosity. The snow is much faster since a few days.
- semi-extrinsic 3y ago
  I haven't tested how it is with the new non-fluorocarbon glide waxes, but definitely with the old stuff the very cold snow was a killer for stripping wax out of the base. Probably would do wonders with a fresh round of Swix TS5B melted on the glide portion of a cleaned sole, then wait 10 minutes and reheat the wax for extra durability. Then sikling and light brushing with the medium bronze. And just some VP30 over base binder for grip.
  - matsemann 3y ago
    My impression is that fluor mainly shined in wet or dirty conditions, and weren't that big of a deal in colder temps other than durability. At least I've had problems with -20 snow all my life, so even before the prohibition, heh. Maaaybe TS would make a difference, but no way I'm shelling out that kind of money for a normal day in the mountains. Mostly using PS6 as a base, and then perhaps something more specific for the daily conditions if warmer, but seldom anything more fancy than PS, maybe HS for a long trip.

avar 3y ago

Have you tried using this this with full size (downhill) ski goggles? It'll enclose your eyes and glasses from your nose. If you get good anti -fog goggles (expensive) you should be able to mostly or entirely avoid the fogging. Not just because of the fancy lens, but some ski goggles stick so for out that your exhale tends to travel up and along their sides, and not over the lenses.

foobarian 3y ago

I've been thinking of grabbing one of those fume hood helmets where the head covering has a generously sized visor, and hook up the pipes to a backpack-located heat- and air-exchanger. Possibly even inject the warm air from the top alongside the transparent material. How nice would that be in freezing cold! Like a cheap DIY space suit.

matsemann 3y ago
Just be careful you don't end up with a system where you breathe the same air in and out and suffocate! Like a child using am adult snorkel, where they only move the same air back and forth and pass out.

brunoqc 3y ago

Any link for the "OXYO one"? I can't seem to find it.

matsemann 3y ago
Here's where she bought it from https://www.foss-sport.no/blunds/168592/oxyo-sport-varmeveksler-for-bruk-ved-aktivitet-i-kald-luft https://www.foss-sport.no/blunds/168592/oxyo-sport-varmeveks... Edit: and I've seen it in loads of various sport stores in Norway. But from all my searching I only find a few Norwegian results. Making me think it's either a Norwegian product, or rebranded by the importer. But reverse image search doesn't really yield any similar looking products either.
- brunoqc 3y ago
  Thanks!