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As a non native english speaker I have some trouble understanding this. Is this just another bill that uses cyber secruity as an excuse to pass some bullshit la

by zwnow 3y ago

As a non native english speaker I have some trouble understanding this. Is this just another bill that uses cyber secruity as an excuse to pass some bullshit laws? This is common practice in Germany, so it would not surprise me if that kind off stuff also reached the UN...

TheGeminon 3y ago
From my (limited) reading it seems like this is a UN treaty to allow for better co-operation between states when prosecuting/investigating cybercrime. The main issues I see is that there is little distinction in what constitutes a crime that would fit under the "cybercrime" banner, potentially allowing a state that has e.g. anti-LGBT laws to request assistance in prosecuting that crime by e.g. getting de-anonymized data from a US-based social network.
aa_is_op 3y ago
The super short tl;d is: This is a treaty proposed by Russia, and heavily supported by the growing number of dictatorships around the world, such as China, the Arab states, and more recently the growing number of African countries, that will effectively allow them to prosecute anyone who says something bad about their countries under vague "terrorism" charges. If a western country refuses, then they can cut off any legal collaboration for any other more serious crimes. Example: UAE says this French national said something bad about their sheik. France must arrest and hand over that guy because they would be breaking an international treaty otherwise, and may be vulnerable to sanctions and UAE (and others refusal) to cooperate in France's legal investigations, such as economic fraud, terrorism, and such. It's basically a cleverly designed document to enforce and give more power to dictators across their borders, and inside other democratic countries.
- zwnow 3y ago
  Well that is obviously something that will never come through, right? Why would the UN even discuss this?
  - jasomill 3y ago
    Because the Third Committee of the General Assembly adopted a resolution to do so by a recorded vote of 88 to 58, with 34 abstentions[1]. [1] https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N19/383/43/PDF/N1938343.pdf?OpenElement#page=2 https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N19/383/43/PDF...
  - aa_is_op 3y ago
    If you haven't paying attention, the number of autocratic countries has been rising, with many (Solomon Islands, Mali, Chad, Togo, Sudan, Niger, etc.) receiving military help from China and Russia (aka Wagner troops, social media troll farms) to stage coups and take over.

by zwnow 3y ago

TheGeminon 3y ago

From my (limited) reading it seems like this is a UN treaty to allow for better co-operation between states when prosecuting/investigating cybercrime. The main issues I see is that there is little distinction in what constitutes a crime that would fit under the "cybercrime" banner, potentially allowing a state that has e.g. anti-LGBT laws to request assistance in prosecuting that crime by e.g. getting de-anonymized data from a US-based social network.

aa_is_op 3y ago

The super short tl;d is: This is a treaty proposed by Russia, and heavily supported by the growing number of dictatorships around the world, such as China, the Arab states, and more recently the growing number of African countries, that will effectively allow them to prosecute anyone who says something bad about their countries under vague "terrorism" charges. If a western country refuses, then they can cut off any legal collaboration for any other more serious crimes. Example: UAE says this French national said something bad about their sheik. France must arrest and hand over that guy because they would be breaking an international treaty otherwise, and may be vulnerable to sanctions and UAE (and others refusal) to cooperate in France's legal investigations, such as economic fraud, terrorism, and such. It's basically a cleverly designed document to enforce and give more power to dictators across their borders, and inside other democratic countries.

zwnow 3y ago
Well that is obviously something that will never come through, right? Why would the UN even discuss this?
- jasomill 3y ago
  Because the Third Committee of the General Assembly adopted a resolution to do so by a recorded vote of 88 to 58, with 34 abstentions[1]. [1] https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N19/383/43/PDF/N1938343.pdf?OpenElement#page=2 https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N19/383/43/PDF...
- aa_is_op 3y ago
  If you haven't paying attention, the number of autocratic countries has been rising, with many (Solomon Islands, Mali, Chad, Togo, Sudan, Niger, etc.) receiving military help from China and Russia (aka Wagner troops, social media troll farms) to stage coups and take over.