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All hail our beneficent global bureaucracy! Filled with smart people who care deeply about our freedom and individual wishes. Now if I could just contact one of

All hail our beneficent global bureaucracy! Filled with smart people who care deeply about our freedom and individual wishes. Now if I could just contact one of its accountable elected representatives to voice some concerns...

ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
Post this next time someone praises the EU for passing the barest of privacy laws.
- przemub 3y ago
  I can and actually did contact my European Parliament representative with my concerns. ACTA protests were very successful. These people are answerable to their constituents in the same way as in any other representative democracy.
arlort 3y ago
Treaties need to be adopted by legislatures, lobby your national executive if you want to influence the text and the legislature if you want to influence its adoption or not. Also these treaties aren't generally self executing nor enforceable, so you'll also be able to lobby your legislature when they'll be drawing up the implementing acts.
- vdaea 3y ago
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  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_treaties_unsigned_or_unratified_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_treaties_unsigned_or_u... https://www.cfr.org/blog/international-treaties-united-states-refuses-play-ball https://www.cfr.org/blog/international-treaties-united-state... https://civilrights.org/edfund/resource/where-the-united-states-stands-on-10-international-human-rights-treaties/ https://civilrights.org/edfund/resource/where-the-united-sta...
  - jltsiren 3y ago
    Like the US became a pariah when it didn't adopt the Ottawa Treaty that banned anti-personnel mines? Or when it didn't ratify the treaty that established the International Criminal Court and later withdrew its signature? The EU has teeth, because EU law overrides domestic laws according to the member states themselves. The UN hasn't, because it's an organization of sovereign states. UN treaties are only as strong as the states choosing to enforce them.
- rokkitmensch 3y ago
  Epic gaslighting.
grotorea 3y ago
I suspect we should be blaming the diplomats and the national leaders giving them orders, who should be responsible to the people, not the UN bureaucracy or the people who work there that doesn't actually that much decision making power AFAIK.
jocoda 3y ago
This is the first time that the tools that make it feasible to impose surveillance at this scale. The same tools, maybe not as intrusive, could be used to hold these people accountable? (putting on my conspiracy hat) Hmm, maybe because this has become possible, the media is so flooded with noise. Any signal is drowned out.

ThrowawayTestr 3y ago

Post this next time someone praises the EU for passing the barest of privacy laws.

przemub 3y ago
I can and actually did contact my European Parliament representative with my concerns. ACTA protests were very successful. These people are answerable to their constituents in the same way as in any other representative democracy.

arlort 3y ago

Treaties need to be adopted by legislatures, lobby your national executive if you want to influence the text and the legislature if you want to influence its adoption or not. Also these treaties aren't generally self executing nor enforceable, so you'll also be able to lobby your legislature when they'll be drawing up the implementing acts.

vdaea 3y ago
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- Apocryphon 3y ago
  Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_treaties_unsigned_or_unratified_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_treaties_unsigned_or_u... https://www.cfr.org/blog/international-treaties-united-states-refuses-play-ball https://www.cfr.org/blog/international-treaties-united-state... https://civilrights.org/edfund/resource/where-the-united-states-stands-on-10-international-human-rights-treaties/ https://civilrights.org/edfund/resource/where-the-united-sta...
- jltsiren 3y ago
  Like the US became a pariah when it didn't adopt the Ottawa Treaty that banned anti-personnel mines? Or when it didn't ratify the treaty that established the International Criminal Court and later withdrew its signature? The EU has teeth, because EU law overrides domestic laws according to the member states themselves. The UN hasn't, because it's an organization of sovereign states. UN treaties are only as strong as the states choosing to enforce them.
rokkitmensch 3y ago
Epic gaslighting.

grotorea 3y ago

I suspect we should be blaming the diplomats and the national leaders giving them orders, who should be responsible to the people, not the UN bureaucracy or the people who work there that doesn't actually that much decision making power AFAIK.

jocoda 3y ago

This is the first time that the tools that make it feasible to impose surveillance at this scale. The same tools, maybe not as intrusive, could be used to hold these people accountable? (putting on my conspiracy hat) Hmm, maybe because this has become possible, the media is so flooded with noise. Any signal is drowned out.