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Be careful what you ask for. FIFA's Video assistant referee was supposed to banish controversial decisions in soccer matches forever. Instead, they simply repla

Be careful what you ask for. FIFA's Video assistant referee was supposed to banish controversial decisions in soccer matches forever. Instead, they simply replaced one form of controversial decisions with another. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_assistant_referee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_assistant_referee

dagw 3y ago
The NBA and NFL already have their own versions of VAR, with all the complaints and problems that the football version has.
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dist-epoch 3y ago
If people make mistakes watching the event for tens of seconds from multiple cameras with VAR, how could you trust the same decision made without it in a split second.
- walthamstow 3y ago
  Top soccer refs get >96% of decisions right. That's enough for me. It's sport, it's not criminal justice or healthcare. I want the split second decision. It used to be that the ball would go into the net, you'd glance over at the linesman, see his flag down by his side, the ref indicates for a goal, the fans lose their minds. It would all happen in a second or two, now we have 4 minutes of video pedantry following every goal. This idea that soccer is a 'flowing' game with minimal stoppages is very important to fans.
  - dagw 3y ago
    It would all happen in a second or two Ideally AI and goal line technology should solve this. If the computer knows where the ball and all the players are at all time, then checking if the ball crosses the line or if anybody was offside leading up to the goal should be instant.
    - walthamstow 3y ago
      There are a thousand and one subjective reasons why a goal that was given by the on-pitch ref can and have recently been disallowed after review by the video pedants. Even offside has subjectivity, something we only discovered after we implemented video review. Could you accurately tell which pixel of shirt sleeve is an attacker's arm and which is shoulder? (Your arm can be offside because you can't legally score with it, shoulder vice versa) We already have goal line technology for the ball crossing the line, it's totally instant, the ref has a device on his wrist which vibrates.
      - dagw 3y ago
        Even offside has subjectivity It does today, but the whole point of the AI would be to remove that subjectivity. Offside would be whatever the AI said is offside. Not saying this would necessarily be a good thing for the game, but it would remove the slow video review process and let referees instantly call goal/no goal.
erfgh 3y ago
VAR is not an AI system, it's just the referee watching the video replay. It could have been done 50+ years ago.
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dehrmann 3y ago
Has to be better than this happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5QlBHF6ib8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5QlBHF6ib8

dagw 3y ago

The NBA and NFL already have their own versions of VAR, with all the complaints and problems that the football version has.

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dist-epoch 3y ago

If people make mistakes watching the event for tens of seconds from multiple cameras with VAR, how could you trust the same decision made without it in a split second.

walthamstow 3y ago
Top soccer refs get >96% of decisions right. That's enough for me. It's sport, it's not criminal justice or healthcare. I want the split second decision. It used to be that the ball would go into the net, you'd glance over at the linesman, see his flag down by his side, the ref indicates for a goal, the fans lose their minds. It would all happen in a second or two, now we have 4 minutes of video pedantry following every goal. This idea that soccer is a 'flowing' game with minimal stoppages is very important to fans.
- dagw 3y ago
  It would all happen in a second or two Ideally AI and goal line technology should solve this. If the computer knows where the ball and all the players are at all time, then checking if the ball crosses the line or if anybody was offside leading up to the goal should be instant.
  - walthamstow 3y ago
    There are a thousand and one subjective reasons why a goal that was given by the on-pitch ref can and have recently been disallowed after review by the video pedants. Even offside has subjectivity, something we only discovered after we implemented video review. Could you accurately tell which pixel of shirt sleeve is an attacker's arm and which is shoulder? (Your arm can be offside because you can't legally score with it, shoulder vice versa) We already have goal line technology for the ball crossing the line, it's totally instant, the ref has a device on his wrist which vibrates.
    - dagw 3y ago
      Even offside has subjectivity It does today, but the whole point of the AI would be to remove that subjectivity. Offside would be whatever the AI said is offside. Not saying this would necessarily be a good thing for the game, but it would remove the slow video review process and let referees instantly call goal/no goal.

erfgh 3y ago

VAR is not an AI system, it's just the referee watching the video replay. It could have been done 50+ years ago.

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dehrmann 3y ago

Has to be better than this happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5QlBHF6ib8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5QlBHF6ib8