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> The majority of the underdeveloped world has no way to achieve that in the near term. Why, though? Solar panels are becoming very cheap and induction stoves

by oblio 3y ago

> The majority of the underdeveloped world has no way to achieve that in the near term. Why, though? Solar panels are becoming very cheap and induction stoves aren't necessarily high tech. Ikea makes this: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tillreda-portable-induction-cooktop-1-zone-black-30546508/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tillreda-portable-induction-coo... Surely a cheap knock off could be made for $10-15 or something.

defrost 3y ago
The link didn't appear to have the current draw .. but there's a very good chance it's high relative to a single solar panel or two in areas that lack reliable grid electricty. Hence the comment about the majority of the underdeveloped world and the near term. ( A key feature of much of the underdeveloped world is a general lack of IKEA kitchens with handy wall plugs and 24/7 high wattage grids )
- oblio 3y ago
  > The link didn't appear to have the current draw .. but there's a very good chance it's high relative to a single solar panel or two in areas that lack reliable grid electricty. Product details -> Good to know -> Connection rating: 1800W. That's max power, I imagine they could run it at 900W, which, from what I see, would be 2-3 panels. Also, I don't think it's the "majority of the underdeveloped world". Based on this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/521212/number-of-off-grid-population-asia-africa-by-select-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/521212/number-of-off-gri..., to me those numbers look something like 20-30-40% of the population in these underdeveloped countries. Anyway, it's kind of a moot point, this will probably happen on its own over time, where it makes sense. > ( A key feature of much of the underdeveloped world is a general lack of IKEA kitchens with handy wall plugs and 24/7 high wattage grids ) This snark is irrelevant. I didn't say they should buy it from Ikea, ergo my comment about the $10-15 copycat (probably from Aliexpress). Nor did I say they should buy an Ikea <<kitchen>>. You can plug that thing on top of a $2 table to a regular wall plug or even an extension cord.
infecto 3y ago
Why? Because its not reliable. Fuel stoves are extremely reliable, you just need access to the fuel and most of the time there is a level of interchangability on types of fuels. Electronics fail. Fuel stoves generally do not or if they do, repairable. The sun is not always shining. What do you do, not cook? Yes, you can add batteries, thats increased costs and more failures. Or do you add massive solar arrays for each home? 900watts is not a trivial amount for someone living in a rural country side.

by oblio 3y ago

defrost 3y ago

The link didn't appear to have the current draw .. but there's a very good chance it's high relative to a single solar panel or two in areas that lack reliable grid electricty. Hence the comment about the majority of the underdeveloped world and the near term. ( A key feature of much of the underdeveloped world is a general lack of IKEA kitchens with handy wall plugs and 24/7 high wattage grids )

oblio 3y ago
> The link didn't appear to have the current draw .. but there's a very good chance it's high relative to a single solar panel or two in areas that lack reliable grid electricty. Product details -> Good to know -> Connection rating: 1800W. That's max power, I imagine they could run it at 900W, which, from what I see, would be 2-3 panels. Also, I don't think it's the "majority of the underdeveloped world". Based on this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/521212/number-of-off-grid-population-asia-africa-by-select-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/521212/number-of-off-gri..., to me those numbers look something like 20-30-40% of the population in these underdeveloped countries. Anyway, it's kind of a moot point, this will probably happen on its own over time, where it makes sense. > ( A key feature of much of the underdeveloped world is a general lack of IKEA kitchens with handy wall plugs and 24/7 high wattage grids ) This snark is irrelevant. I didn't say they should buy it from Ikea, ergo my comment about the $10-15 copycat (probably from Aliexpress). Nor did I say they should buy an Ikea <<kitchen>>. You can plug that thing on top of a $2 table to a regular wall plug or even an extension cord.

infecto 3y ago

Why? Because its not reliable. Fuel stoves are extremely reliable, you just need access to the fuel and most of the time there is a level of interchangability on types of fuels. Electronics fail. Fuel stoves generally do not or if they do, repairable. The sun is not always shining. What do you do, not cook? Yes, you can add batteries, thats increased costs and more failures. Or do you add massive solar arrays for each home? 900watts is not a trivial amount for someone living in a rural country side.