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Pretty weak arguments, sounds like someone has an axe to grind. They say the majority of emission increases comes from the infrastructure needed. This makes sen

Pretty weak arguments, sounds like someone has an axe to grind. They say the majority of emission increases comes from the infrastructure needed. This makes sense if you build some infrastructure and do large scale agriculture as opposed to many people building infrastructure and doing small scale gardening. But it presupposes that the carbon footprint of the people doing gardening would otherwise be zero. Fact of the matter is, people need to do something with their lives, and if they don't do gardening, they'll do something else. I might spend my sommer in the garden as opposed to someone flying to Spain for a summer vacation. I have a friend that doesn't use his backyard for gardening, but he built a pool during COVID lockdowns. Is the carbon footprint of that lower than that of a garden shed? Doubt it.

genewitch 3y ago
If i use an 80 year old ford tractor to dig a trench and put trees that fell over during a hurricane in the trench and bury them, and plant on and around the hill that's made, i wager the carbon footprint is probably net negative. native groundcover and there are nurseries that start and sell 2 year old plants within a few miles. These are very old, established nurseries, the carbon footprint of their construction has amortized to nothing. I don't want to read the article because it sounds like it'd get my blood pressure up. In the general sense not everyone can go net negative, but it doesn't matter because the benefits outweigh the potential for "carbon". To name just one benefit, genetic diversity.
- hgomersall 3y ago
  It's the telegraph. Not reading it should be the starting position.
strken 3y ago
It's kind of stupid, yeah. My mum has a vegetable patch fertilised by compost, covered in mown grass, and surrounded by some wire that used to be part of a derelict turkey shed plus some old rusty steel fence posts she got from a garage sale. Do you count the wire and the fence posts as if they were new? Do you assume the compost is average, even if it's turned properly in her specific garden? Do you count the decomposition of the grass even though it comes from her own property, and do you count it as methane even though it's spread thinly enough to avoid an anoxic environment? Do you count the shovel and wheelbarrow even though she'd still need to own them for other purposes? You can come up with either a bad number or a good number depending on how you choose to represent specific carbon costs.
youngtaff 3y ago
The Telegraph most definitely has an axe to grind… they’re a right wing, pro-Brexit, anti immigrant, climate change denying publication

genewitch 3y ago

If i use an 80 year old ford tractor to dig a trench and put trees that fell over during a hurricane in the trench and bury them, and plant on and around the hill that's made, i wager the carbon footprint is probably net negative. native groundcover and there are nurseries that start and sell 2 year old plants within a few miles. These are very old, established nurseries, the carbon footprint of their construction has amortized to nothing. I don't want to read the article because it sounds like it'd get my blood pressure up. In the general sense not everyone can go net negative, but it doesn't matter because the benefits outweigh the potential for "carbon". To name just one benefit, genetic diversity.

hgomersall 3y ago
It's the telegraph. Not reading it should be the starting position.

strken 3y ago

It's kind of stupid, yeah. My mum has a vegetable patch fertilised by compost, covered in mown grass, and surrounded by some wire that used to be part of a derelict turkey shed plus some old rusty steel fence posts she got from a garage sale. Do you count the wire and the fence posts as if they were new? Do you assume the compost is average, even if it's turned properly in her specific garden? Do you count the decomposition of the grass even though it comes from her own property, and do you count it as methane even though it's spread thinly enough to avoid an anoxic environment? Do you count the shovel and wheelbarrow even though she'd still need to own them for other purposes? You can come up with either a bad number or a good number depending on how you choose to represent specific carbon costs.

youngtaff 3y ago

The Telegraph most definitely has an axe to grind… they’re a right wing, pro-Brexit, anti immigrant, climate change denying publication