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by riffic 3y ago

minimaxir 3y ago
Look at Palworld's marketing materials and take a guess: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1623730/Palworld/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1623730/Palworld/
slater 3y ago
1. There's a massively succesful new game called PalWorld 2. It kiiiiinda sorta vaguely looks like Pokemon 3. Everyone and their dog is all "haha nintendo won't sue.. they won't sue, right...? right...?"
numpad0 3y ago
Palworld is a indie/startup game sold 8m copies in 5.5 days so far and recording second most in simultaneous player count on Steam. There are assets in the game that are, mostly subjectively, just too close to Pokemon models that there has been internet flamewars around that topic.
- Manuel_D 3y ago
  "Just too close" is extremely vague, and likely isn't enough to trigger copyright infringement claims. Consider that Warhammer and Warcraft weren't similar enough to be infringing, same with Digimon and Pokemon. If this [1] isn't infringing on Pokemon, I seriously doubt Palworld is either. 1. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNGJhOGJmZGItNjQwZS00MzQ5LTg0MDMtYTc3YzAwMDc4YjFmL2ltYWdlL2ltYWdlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzM4MjM0Nzg@._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNGJhOGJmZGItNjQwZS00...
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Its waaay closer than digimon. Enough that you do double takes when you see many of the Palworld creatures.
  - numpad0 3y ago
    It's curvatures and geometries matching too close, not the overall impression is kind of similar too close. I think the game's massive instant success is a circumstantial evidence in its own, it's just inconceivable a lookalike indie game on Steam becomes a ~20th top selling AND second most simultaneously played game on PC ever. Granted, games like Stardew Valley and Half-Life 2 sold more over longer time periods, but never even reached the same peak player counts.
    - vdaea 3y ago
      I think it's popular because of the publicity it's earned because of the alleged copyright violation, which they sure are enjoying. idgaf about the whole ordeal and I don't follow any videogame communities but I've seen it mentioned on the internet a couple times the last days. It's almost impossible not to know about it.
      - hiccuphippo 3y ago
        I don't see copyright violations. You could make an exact clone of Monopoly and as long as you don't use their assets or the text in their rules you are good to go.
    - extraduder_ire 3y ago
      The game has real-time countdowns for processing certain materials, which only progress when the game is running. That and other mechanics strongly encourage you to leave the game running even if you aren't actively playing it. (e.g. crushing rocks/hatching eggs) I don't know if steam ignores you running a game if you're not actively interacting with it.
      - sfn42 3y ago
        There are mechanics which discourage leaving the game running. Hunger, pal status effects, raids. Sure you could alt-tab and gain some advantage from that but if you just leave the game off overnight I don't think you'll benefit greatly. It's a bit shit that eggs are so slow to hatch though. Feels like an hour would be a long time, I currently have one requiring 24 hours. But I think later on we'll have multiple incubators and then it won't matter that much
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  This ^ The game is insanely popular right now, which is reason #1 its getting so much scrutiny. The similarity is more blatant than any Pokemon-likes I've seen. By a large margin. It also has other meme worthy aspects (like the Pal-labor gun manufacturing thing) that Nintendo would absolutely not want to associate with the Pokemon brand.
  - numpad0 3y ago
    Personally I'm thinking the only uncertainties is what fractions of sales will Nintendo / TPC gets out of the Pal's corpse when the bullet finally lands, like if it'll be closer to 75% or 1250%.
  - sfn42 3y ago
    I don't think it looks like a ripoff. A case can easily be made that the pals are similar to animals, and both pokemon and palworld is based on real animals so it makes sense that they look similar. I see lots of pals that look nothing like pokemon. Personally I think the game is great. I'm having a lot of fun playing it with my friends. I hope it continues being popular and that the developers get to realize it's full potential. I don't really give a crap what Nintendo thinks about it, I don't see them offering anything similar.
- emptysongglass 3y ago
  People have stuck mesh models of Palworld pals inside Pokèmon to compare. It's not subjective. It's straight up theft in a number of cases.
  - Freedom2 3y ago
    That isn't how 3D modelling works at all. Not to mention that one of the major examples where they compared meshes admitted they scaled the models [1], so it's not even a direct 1:1 comparison. [1]: https://twitter.com/byofrog/status/1750193272419693010 https://twitter.com/byofrog/status/1750193272419693010
    - emptysongglass 3y ago
      > That isn't how 3D modelling works at all. That's a blanket statement that's meaningless. Uniformly scaling a model, which is what the post you linked to admitted, is a perfectly fine method of comparison. If I uniformly shrink an object, that does not change the nature of the object other than to make it smaller or larger. If I take an apple, produce a copy, shrink it, then compare it, the apple is still the same apple. Now Palworld has changed some very minor details with some of these models but you'd really need to be committed to mental gymnastics to justify the changes between these models as anything but the weakest of attempts to dodge a lawsuit.
      - Freedom2 3y ago
        If it's theft, why aren't there any comparisons of vertex weights, UV maps, even texture sizes? There's only a few ways to retopologize a mesh, especially around joints, so anything there is hardly worth looking at. I'm more than happy to concede that models could have been largely 'traced', with the original models being used as reference images. That is hardly the lift-and-shift theft that is being claimed by many online, though.
        numpad0 3y ago
        > models could have been largely 'traced' So, when a human does that, that's an infringement.

is there supposed to be any context for this post?

by riffic 3y ago

is there supposed to be any context for this post?

Look at Palworld's marketing materials and take a guess: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1623730/Palworld/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1623730/Palworld/

slater 3y ago

1. There's a massively succesful new game called PalWorld 2. It kiiiiinda sorta vaguely looks like Pokemon 3. Everyone and their dog is all "haha nintendo won't sue.. they won't sue, right...? right...?"

numpad0 3y ago

Palworld is a indie/startup game sold 8m copies in 5.5 days so far and recording second most in simultaneous player count on Steam. There are assets in the game that are, mostly subjectively, just too close to Pokemon models that there has been internet flamewars around that topic.

Manuel_D 3y ago
"Just too close" is extremely vague, and likely isn't enough to trigger copyright infringement claims. Consider that Warhammer and Warcraft weren't similar enough to be infringing, same with Digimon and Pokemon. If this [1] isn't infringing on Pokemon, I seriously doubt Palworld is either. 1. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNGJhOGJmZGItNjQwZS00MzQ5LTg0MDMtYTc3YzAwMDc4YjFmL2ltYWdlL2ltYWdlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzM4MjM0Nzg@._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNGJhOGJmZGItNjQwZS00...
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Its waaay closer than digimon. Enough that you do double takes when you see many of the Palworld creatures.
- numpad0 3y ago
  It's curvatures and geometries matching too close, not the overall impression is kind of similar too close. I think the game's massive instant success is a circumstantial evidence in its own, it's just inconceivable a lookalike indie game on Steam becomes a ~20th top selling AND second most simultaneously played game on PC ever. Granted, games like Stardew Valley and Half-Life 2 sold more over longer time periods, but never even reached the same peak player counts.
  - vdaea 3y ago
    I think it's popular because of the publicity it's earned because of the alleged copyright violation, which they sure are enjoying. idgaf about the whole ordeal and I don't follow any videogame communities but I've seen it mentioned on the internet a couple times the last days. It's almost impossible not to know about it.
    - hiccuphippo 3y ago
      I don't see copyright violations. You could make an exact clone of Monopoly and as long as you don't use their assets or the text in their rules you are good to go.
  - extraduder_ire 3y ago
    The game has real-time countdowns for processing certain materials, which only progress when the game is running. That and other mechanics strongly encourage you to leave the game running even if you aren't actively playing it. (e.g. crushing rocks/hatching eggs) I don't know if steam ignores you running a game if you're not actively interacting with it.
    - sfn42 3y ago
      There are mechanics which discourage leaving the game running. Hunger, pal status effects, raids. Sure you could alt-tab and gain some advantage from that but if you just leave the game off overnight I don't think you'll benefit greatly. It's a bit shit that eggs are so slow to hatch though. Feels like an hour would be a long time, I currently have one requiring 24 hours. But I think later on we'll have multiple incubators and then it won't matter that much
brucethemoose2 3y ago
This ^ The game is insanely popular right now, which is reason #1 its getting so much scrutiny. The similarity is more blatant than any Pokemon-likes I've seen. By a large margin. It also has other meme worthy aspects (like the Pal-labor gun manufacturing thing) that Nintendo would absolutely not want to associate with the Pokemon brand.
- numpad0 3y ago
  Personally I'm thinking the only uncertainties is what fractions of sales will Nintendo / TPC gets out of the Pal's corpse when the bullet finally lands, like if it'll be closer to 75% or 1250%.
- sfn42 3y ago
  I don't think it looks like a ripoff. A case can easily be made that the pals are similar to animals, and both pokemon and palworld is based on real animals so it makes sense that they look similar. I see lots of pals that look nothing like pokemon. Personally I think the game is great. I'm having a lot of fun playing it with my friends. I hope it continues being popular and that the developers get to realize it's full potential. I don't really give a crap what Nintendo thinks about it, I don't see them offering anything similar.
emptysongglass 3y ago
People have stuck mesh models of Palworld pals inside Pokèmon to compare. It's not subjective. It's straight up theft in a number of cases.
- Freedom2 3y ago
  That isn't how 3D modelling works at all. Not to mention that one of the major examples where they compared meshes admitted they scaled the models [1], so it's not even a direct 1:1 comparison. [1]: https://twitter.com/byofrog/status/1750193272419693010 https://twitter.com/byofrog/status/1750193272419693010
  - emptysongglass 3y ago
    > That isn't how 3D modelling works at all. That's a blanket statement that's meaningless. Uniformly scaling a model, which is what the post you linked to admitted, is a perfectly fine method of comparison. If I uniformly shrink an object, that does not change the nature of the object other than to make it smaller or larger. If I take an apple, produce a copy, shrink it, then compare it, the apple is still the same apple. Now Palworld has changed some very minor details with some of these models but you'd really need to be committed to mental gymnastics to justify the changes between these models as anything but the weakest of attempts to dodge a lawsuit.
    - Freedom2 3y ago
      If it's theft, why aren't there any comparisons of vertex weights, UV maps, even texture sizes? There's only a few ways to retopologize a mesh, especially around joints, so anything there is hardly worth looking at. I'm more than happy to concede that models could have been largely 'traced', with the original models being used as reference images. That is hardly the lift-and-shift theft that is being claimed by many online, though.
      - numpad0 3y ago
        > models could have been largely 'traced' So, when a human does that, that's an infringement.