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> It's so painfully inclusive that there's nothing left to not be a goal. To be fair... it's Google. There's nothing computing-related that isn't Google. ISP

> It's so painfully inclusive that there's nothing left to not be a goal. To be fair... it's Google. There's nothing computing-related that isn't Google. ISP, cloud, web, personal hardware, IT security, OS, autonomous vehicles, social media, thermostats, mapping...

posguy 3y ago
There is plenty of computing related stuff that Google doesn't do, has stopped doing or outsources nearly all of, whether it be ceasing to be a Domain Registrar, providing voice & texting services (Google Voice being just another Bandwidth.com frontend, Google Fi being an alternative onramp to the T-Mobile network, with identical roaming). You mentioned social media, what social media happens on Google's platforms? Google Wave is long dead, Google Talk was broken so badly everyone I know stopped using it. Google Groups is a wasteland that just spams up Usenet, so everyone ignores it. Where is Google in action when it comes to social media?
- riku_iki 3y ago
  > what social media happens on Google's platforms? youtube/youtube shorts have a lot "social media" going on
  - spartanatreyu 3y ago
    Youtube is currently full of attention-bait, rage-bait, spam, scams, and AI noise. It takes work over months of time to find youtube channels with value and a few more months to vet their worth. While it IS a social media network, the majority of user content on the website is low-value spam comments.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > Youtube is currently full of attention-bait, rage-bait, spam, scams, and AI noise. there is a chance youtube ML gives you recommendations based on your interests.. I find a lot of good quality content on youtube.
      - spartanatreyu 3y ago
        The problem is that one wrong video leads to a cascade of bad suggestions. Opening one video that looks legit but is really AI noise leads to your recommendations filling with other AI noise. Opening one video with a completely misrepresented title leads to your recommendations filling with attention-bait, rage-bait, etc...
        riku_iki 3y ago
        If I would be youtube ML engineer, I would use some engagement metric as a label in loss function: for example how many % of video you actually watched, not just fact that you clicked on it.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  > what social media Little thing called "YouTube"
- paulddraper 3y ago
  "Plenty of computing related stuff that Google doesn't do, for example all of this stuff that Google does or is involved in"
throwaway914 3y ago
I work in a very large organization with 50,000 people. It's painful and discouraging listening to the person at the top, or their close deputies, because the documents they publish for mission goals are so abstract and boundless. Nothing I want ever seems directly addressed in these documents that get passed to all of us. However, I've learned that the middle managers below C suite are looking at these objectives and justifying their own plans in alignment with this. Whatever the people who actually "do" want to do in 2025, must be in support of this abstract crap that frustrates me. I've had more success in the last 2 years aligning my wants and interests with those of my middle managing-leadership, as they orient toward the executives. Executives are often trying to enable with vapid bullshit, and really it just shows they shouldn't talk to the people who "do". I think a better way of approaching the workforce and inspiring loyalty to the org, is to trust a deputy to read you into their particular program area so the high-level executive can come in and speak "to you" at an unexpected/encouraging moment. I've seen that done well, but not all hands messaging - ever. (All blanket statements have exceptional circumstances where they should be disregarded.)
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- gorbachev 3y ago
  Could be worse. The people at the top could be spending their time planning organizational reshuffles. Ask how I know.

posguy 3y ago

There is plenty of computing related stuff that Google doesn't do, has stopped doing or outsources nearly all of, whether it be ceasing to be a Domain Registrar, providing voice & texting services (Google Voice being just another Bandwidth.com frontend, Google Fi being an alternative onramp to the T-Mobile network, with identical roaming). You mentioned social media, what social media happens on Google's platforms? Google Wave is long dead, Google Talk was broken so badly everyone I know stopped using it. Google Groups is a wasteland that just spams up Usenet, so everyone ignores it. Where is Google in action when it comes to social media?

riku_iki 3y ago
> what social media happens on Google's platforms? youtube/youtube shorts have a lot "social media" going on
- spartanatreyu 3y ago
  Youtube is currently full of attention-bait, rage-bait, spam, scams, and AI noise. It takes work over months of time to find youtube channels with value and a few more months to vet their worth. While it IS a social media network, the majority of user content on the website is low-value spam comments.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > Youtube is currently full of attention-bait, rage-bait, spam, scams, and AI noise. there is a chance youtube ML gives you recommendations based on your interests.. I find a lot of good quality content on youtube.
    - spartanatreyu 3y ago
      The problem is that one wrong video leads to a cascade of bad suggestions. Opening one video that looks legit but is really AI noise leads to your recommendations filling with other AI noise. Opening one video with a completely misrepresented title leads to your recommendations filling with attention-bait, rage-bait, etc...
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        If I would be youtube ML engineer, I would use some engagement metric as a label in loss function: for example how many % of video you actually watched, not just fact that you clicked on it.
paulddraper 3y ago
> what social media Little thing called "YouTube"
paulddraper 3y ago
"Plenty of computing related stuff that Google doesn't do, for example all of this stuff that Google does or is involved in"

throwaway914 3y ago

I work in a very large organization with 50,000 people. It's painful and discouraging listening to the person at the top, or their close deputies, because the documents they publish for mission goals are so abstract and boundless. Nothing I want ever seems directly addressed in these documents that get passed to all of us. However, I've learned that the middle managers below C suite are looking at these objectives and justifying their own plans in alignment with this. Whatever the people who actually "do" want to do in 2025, must be in support of this abstract crap that frustrates me. I've had more success in the last 2 years aligning my wants and interests with those of my middle managing-leadership, as they orient toward the executives. Executives are often trying to enable with vapid bullshit, and really it just shows they shouldn't talk to the people who "do". I think a better way of approaching the workforce and inspiring loyalty to the org, is to trust a deputy to read you into their particular program area so the high-level executive can come in and speak "to you" at an unexpected/encouraging moment. I've seen that done well, but not all hands messaging - ever. (All blanket statements have exceptional circumstances where they should be disregarded.)

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gorbachev 3y ago
Could be worse. The people at the top could be spending their time planning organizational reshuffles. Ask how I know.