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previously: science fiction author Peter Watts' 2009 post musing about spider intelligence vs Turing machines: https://rifters.com/real/2009/01/iterating-towar
by shoo 3y ago
previously: science fiction author Peter Watts' 2009 post musing about spider intelligence vs Turing machines:
https://rifters.com/real/2009/01/iterating-towards-bethlehem.html https://rifters.com/real/2009/01/iterating-towards-bethlehem...
> Here's the thumbnail sketch: we have here a spider who eats other spiders, who changes her foraging strategy on the fly, who resorts to trial and error techniques to lure prey into range. She will brave a full frontal assault against prey carrying an egg sac, but sneak up upon an unencumbered target of the same species. Many insects and arachnids are known for fairly complex behaviors (bumblebees are the proletarian's archetype; Sphex wasps are the cool grad-school example), but those behaviors are hardwired and inflexible. Portia here is not so rote: Portia improvises.
> But it's not just this flexible behavioral repertoire that's so amazing. It's not the fact that somehow, this dumb little spider with its crude compound optics has visual acuity to rival a cat's (even though a cat's got orders of magnitude more neurons in one retina than our spider has in her whole damn head). It's not even the fact that this little beast can figure out a maze which entails recognizing prey, then figuring out an approach path along which that prey is not visible (i.e., the spider can't just keep her eyes on the ball: she has to develop and remember a search image), then follow her best-laid plans by memory including recognizing when she's made a wrong turn and retracing her steps, all the while out of sight of her target. No, the really amazing thing is how she does all this with a measly 600,000 neurons— how she pulls off cognitive feats that would challenge a mammal with seventy million or more.
> She does it like a Turing Machine, one laborious step at a time. She does it like a Sinclair ZX-80: running one part of the system then another, because she doesn't have the circuitry to run both at once. She does it all sequentially, by timesharing.
If you like this kind of thing, check out Watts' novel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel)
- rukuu001 3y agoAlso see Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky for more smart-spider science fiction
- McBeige 3y agoIt keeps getting recommended on HN - should there be a book club?
- hailt 3y agoI also immediately think of this book. Also the main character of the jumping spider species in the book is called Portia, likely refer to the same species in the article.
- EdwardDiego 3y agoYep, origin of the name.
- gpderetta 3y agoDo checkout Blindsight because is great, but the Portia reference is actually from the sequel Echopraxia (a good book, but inferior to Blindsight; I mostly remember it for the Portia reference).
- sph 3y agoBlindsight. One of the most interesting sci-fi stories I found impossible to get into and enjoy due to the author's dense and obtuse prose. I have a squirrel brain, so maybe it's just me. I just wish one day someone will be able to turn it in a video game or a movie so I can understand how alien those aliens really are.
- gpderetta 3y agoIt is very much a preference thing. I do like Watt's prose quite a bit.
- genman 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR2hnXR0SM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR2hnXR0SM This is notably also adored by Watts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW7_1J9clAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW7_1J9clAA In case you want to fall down into the rabbit hole then https://blindsight.space https://blindsight.space Now I just wish that some serious producer like Nolan would get a hint.
- freilanzer 3y ago> Echopraxia (a good book, but inferior to Blindsight It's been half-read on my nightstand for months now because it just didn't interest me very much halfway through. Yet I read the first one twice.
- EdwardDiego 3y ago> Blindsight > It carries a crew of five cutting-edge transhuman hyper-specialists, of whom one is a genetically reincarnated vampire who acts as the nominal mission commander. Space vampire eh?
- gpderetta 3y agoYes. Yet it is diamond-hard sci-fi.