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In the powerlifting community, it was a pretty well known fact. None of my women friends that competed (that weren't on anabolic steroids) would be on hormonal
by doix 3y ago
In the powerlifting community, it was a pretty well known fact. None of my women friends that competed (that weren't on anabolic steroids) would be on hormonal birth control because it would affect their training.
I'm surprised the article mentions it's not known by doctors.
I'm also surprised that male birth control pills don't exist yet. In my mind it is the easiest thing ever, exogenous testosterone basically solves the problem. We know it's fairly reversible because lifters go on that stuff for years and then still manage to have kids.
It's "just" a matter of figuring out the correct dosages and figuring out how long before it becomes effective.
I suspect significantly more men would be willing to take birth control pills if it was making them "jacked".
- marcell 3y agoIs there data that suggests testosterone would work as a male birth control?
- doix 3y agoYes, exogenous testosterone will shut down the testicles and thus lower sperm production. Here's a random paper [0] but there's a lot of material out there. The hard part is balancing the sterilisation effect with other side effects whilst having good efficacy. And then there's also the problem of reversing the effects. I'm not on the pharmaceutical business, there's probably a good reason it doesn't exist yet. I just don't know if it's a legal/public perception thing regarding anabolic steroids, it's too hard to manage the side effects or if it's something else. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6305868/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6305868/
- michaelmrose 3y agoIt shows 65% being infertile within 4 months and some hadn't become fertile again thereafter. Totally aside from side effects that seems to me to be useless.
- anon291 3y agoIt takes about four months for one sperm to form so really any male birth control short of a semen valve is going to have that latency. Is sex education that bad? Do people think it's made on demand?
- pcthrowaway 3y agoThe knowledge(?) that it takes 4 months for sperm to form is certainly not common knowledge. I've never heard it before. I haven't looked it up yet, but I'm definitely questioning whether this is even scientifically accepted
- brnt 3y agoTalk to a fertility specialist sometime. You'll discover many new things that you hadnt heard of yet. It was a great example for me of mass ignorance. Tons of stuff, including this, are very well established, but since we live is such an individualized society where interactions with kids and parents are no longer something that happens at all ages continuously throughout life, and your similarly aged friends for the same reason neither, could it happen that such facts simply never pop up until somebody runs into them. In 30 years, you'll not believe established science about aging.
- moi2388 3y agoIt’s actually between 60-70 days, which is 2–2,5 months.
- brnt 3y agoPlus, some personal variability. 3-4mo is a good amount to take into account, if you ever need to.
- moi2388 3y agoVariance generally goes both ways. If the true average is 2-2,5 months you should take that as average expected value, not 4 months. Following your logic it’s equally valid to claim 0 months lol
- michaelmrose 3y agoThere is a study that shows this effect months later for 65% of men some of which didn't get their fertility back as well as causing enlargement of the prostate. This was in men who would otherwise benefit from testosterone replacement not men with a healthy level of testosterone essentially juicing. It would not be tested explicitly for such because it is both bad at its job and has negative side effects well known from all the steroid users.
- bufio 3y agoHas broscience gone too far?
- davkan 3y agoMy understanding is that one reason for lack of prescription birth control for men is that the side effects of a drug will inevitably outweigh any possible health benefit from avoiding conception, which for a male is of course nil. Birth control is easily justified from a medical perspective for women because pregnancy carries many health risks.
- otabdeveloper4 3y ago> pregnancy carries many health risks So does breathing. (In fact, it causes death in 100 percent of the cases.) No, that's just cope for the fact that it is already socially acceptable for women to ruin their bodies for vanity purposes.
- penjelly 3y agobreathing is a bad faith argument. Im sure you can think of a better example here
- otabdeveloper4 3y agoNo it isn't. Oxygen is highly corrosive and is a literal poison.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoEverything is poison at some dose, but that isn't the discussion it seems.
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- User23 3y ago> I'm also surprised that male birth control pills don't exist yet. In my mind it is the easiest thing ever, exogenous testosterone basically solves the problem. It changes social behavior, including voting patterns, in ways contrary to the desires of our rulers.
- b800h 3y agoWhilst I think your comment is tinfoil stuff, I do wonder if the birth-control pill can have psychological effects that alter voting patterns. After all, it's true of Paracetamol (Acetaminophen), which makes you less reactionary.
- jinpa_zangpo 3y agoThere are two problems. The first is while testosterone reduces fertility, it does not reduce it sufficiently without another steroid like progestin. The second is that testosterone must be injected or reliable birth control and self-injection is a problem for many men.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoInitially hormonal BC was invented for men, but the side effects annoyed the male doctors, so they transitioned to female BC.