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Tesla is lucky in the US, but in several parts of the world BYD is beating them hard. BYD is selling the most units, and they are not even allowed to compete in

Tesla is lucky in the US, but in several parts of the world BYD is beating them hard. BYD is selling the most units, and they are not even allowed to compete in the USA.

beaned 3y ago
More Android phones sell than Apple, but I think most HN-ers would be hard-pressed to claim that Google is definitively the bigger, better, or more successful company overall.
- rtsil 3y ago
  Google doesn't make Android phones beyond the niche Pixels. If they did, there would be a solid argument that they'd be the most successful phone company, because they'd own 80% of the market share.
  - beaned 3y ago
    True in a way, but Google certainly benefits from having their OS on the majority of the world's smartphones. A more apt comparison might be Microsoft, who has roughly the same market cap as Apple, while having their operating system be on so many more computers. They sell their OS, not give it away (like Android) so maybe more accurate? But they don't have the quality, mindshare, or respect that most HN-ers give Apple, so in terms of success it doesn't appear to be just units shipped that matters most.
resolutebat 3y ago
Having driven both a Tesla Model 3 and a BYD Atto 3 (their best seller outside China), the early Apple vs early Android comparison is apt. BYD gets the job done and thanks to low prices may beat Tesla on volume, but the overall experience is quite janky. Those who can afford it will get a Tesla, and that's why Tesla will continue to capture a lot more margin.
- thorncorona 3y ago
  Tesla still is janky though? The auto windshield wipers straight up don’t work.
  - bradfox2 3y ago
    Tesla isn't janky compared to a Chinese EV with no reliable charging infrastructure.
  - resolutebat 3y ago
    I'll take my Tesla wipers any day over spending half a day on my vacation trying to charge up the Atto 3. Bonus glitch: when I finally did find a compatible charger and got it charged up, the Atto refused to release the charging cable because it thought the cable was already disconnected and that took another 30 min of futzing about to sort out.

Tesla is lucky in the US, but in several parts of the world BYD is beating them hard. BYD is selling the most units, and they are not even allowed to compete in the USA.

beaned 3y ago

More Android phones sell than Apple, but I think most HN-ers would be hard-pressed to claim that Google is definitively the bigger, better, or more successful company overall.

rtsil 3y ago
Google doesn't make Android phones beyond the niche Pixels. If they did, there would be a solid argument that they'd be the most successful phone company, because they'd own 80% of the market share.
- beaned 3y ago
  True in a way, but Google certainly benefits from having their OS on the majority of the world's smartphones. A more apt comparison might be Microsoft, who has roughly the same market cap as Apple, while having their operating system be on so many more computers. They sell their OS, not give it away (like Android) so maybe more accurate? But they don't have the quality, mindshare, or respect that most HN-ers give Apple, so in terms of success it doesn't appear to be just units shipped that matters most.

resolutebat 3y ago

Having driven both a Tesla Model 3 and a BYD Atto 3 (their best seller outside China), the early Apple vs early Android comparison is apt. BYD gets the job done and thanks to low prices may beat Tesla on volume, but the overall experience is quite janky. Those who can afford it will get a Tesla, and that's why Tesla will continue to capture a lot more margin.

thorncorona 3y ago
Tesla still is janky though? The auto windshield wipers straight up don’t work.
- bradfox2 3y ago
  Tesla isn't janky compared to a Chinese EV with no reliable charging infrastructure.
- resolutebat 3y ago
  I'll take my Tesla wipers any day over spending half a day on my vacation trying to charge up the Atto 3. Bonus glitch: when I finally did find a compatible charger and got it charged up, the Atto refused to release the charging cable because it thought the cable was already disconnected and that took another 30 min of futzing about to sort out.