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Something happened between the Wild West when this was common and now which brought a stop to that behaviour for a century and a half. That something needs to
by xattt 3y ago
Something happened between the Wild West when this was common and now which brought a stop to that behaviour for a century and a half.
That something needs to happen again.
- grow2grow 3y agoGuns. Guns happened.
- ssully 3y agoThe Wild West, very famous for not having guns.
- lobsterthief 3y agoYes, as the saying goes: “If only they had guns in the Wild West, it would’ve been _really_ Wild”
- ls612 3y agoYou missed the point. He is saying the application of state violence against the outlaws of the wild west using firearms is what caused the decline of outlaws in the wild west.
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- puchatek 3y agoIf that was indeed the point then his three word sentence did a very shoddy job at highlighting it.
- Kerb_ 3y agoMy favorite Wild West movie scenes are the ones where the cowboys meet back to back at high noon, take 10 paces, turn around, and yell "Bang" then one passes out.
- wolverine876 3y agoThose are Hollywood, not reality.
- dorkwood 3y agoI don't think that's ever happened in a movie, has it?
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- elzbardico 3y agoYeah. That something that happened during that period of time was: - Stable jobs with good salaries - Home Ownership - Salaries that increased as much as profits when productivity raised. It was a good time, they told me.
- jojobas 3y agoThat's a carrot, works best with a stick. There's no shortage of carrot these days, poverty has been steadily decreasing since then.
- peddling-brink 3y agoNo shortage of home ownership by people, not corporations and investment vehicles. Easy mistake to make.
- wongarsu 3y agoFor silicon valley tech workers that might be true, but for a lot of people the carrot has become awfully small over the last 16 years.
- echelon 3y ago"Carrot for me, but stick for thee" selects along the socioeconomic boundaries.
- jojobas 3y agoPoverty has been steadily decreasing across the board, in both absolute and relative numbers. That's plenty of carrot.
- noelwelsh 3y agoYou're looking at the wrong statistic. Inequality is the issue. There are plenty of people living hand to mouth who don't fall in the definition of poverty.
- pixl97 3y agoYou mean having more than 2 people on a mile long train at most, right? Because what you think is happening and what is happening likely differs significantly.
- driverdan 3y agoThe proliferation of cameras and fast spreading news. Large scale thefts have always happened but now we see and hear about it quickly.
- bluescrn 3y agoCameras and social media also spread the idea that crime pays, that you can brazenly loot a store or a rob a train, and probably get away with it.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agohttps://www.uspis.gov/history-spotlight/send-in-the-marines https://www.uspis.gov/history-spotlight/send-in-the-marines > "When our men go as guards over the mail, that mail must be delivered, or there must be a Marine dead at the post of duty."
- wolverine876 3y agoPeople love to imagine that chaos and socipathy are our natural state, and compassion and enlightened organization are fantasies, but that was never true: We evolved, beginning seven million years ago, from species that were already highly sociable and live naturally, gregariously, and peacefully in groups of dozens or even hundreds. Chaos and sociopathy are illnesses. On top of that, we have the intelligence to reason about what works better (let's use it).
- dotancohen 3y ago> species that were already highly sociable and live naturally, gregariously, and peacefully in groups of dozens or even hundreds. I live in a village of hundreds. We live gregariously and peacefully. But how about those people living in cities whose populations exceed the entire protohuman population? And if you have a source stating authoritatively how society functioned seven million years ago, as we parted evolutionary ways with the baboons and chimpanzees, I would love to read it.
- wolverine876 3y ago> how about those people living in cities whose populations exceed the entire protohuman population? How about it? I spend lots of time in cities; they are generally peaceful, gregarious and friendly. > if you have a source stating authoritatively how society functioned seven million years ago, as we parted evolutionary ways with the baboons and chimpanzees, I would love to read it. What is your point here?
- dotancohen 3y ago> What is your point here? The point is that we do not know if our seven million year old ancestors were peaceful or not. The assertion is unfounded.
- Chris2048 3y ago> I spend lots of time in cities Which ones?
- jdietrich 3y agoOver the last 30 years, the rate of theft has more than halved. https://usafacts.org/topics/crime-justice/ https://usafacts.org/topics/crime-justice/
- LAC-Tech 3y agoCrime rates like that measure convictions, don't they? If police stop convicting for certain things (which has been a decades long trend), crime rates will go down. IMO the only clear window into this are victim surveys.
- nobody9999 3y ago>Crime rates like that measure convictions, don't they? A look at the link[0] provided by GP provides the source[1] of the data, and AFAICT, both UCR and NIBRS statistics reflect reported crimes, not convictions. So, no they don't. But feel free to ignore the actual data sources if they don't fit with your beliefs. Lots of people seem to do that. It makes life so much simpler, no? [0] https://usafacts.org/topics/crime-justice/ https://usafacts.org/topics/crime-justice/ [1] https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/home https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/home
- concordDance 3y agoThis was a good post without the last paragraph.
- nobody9999 3y ago>This was a good post without the last paragraph. A fair point. And thank you for your observation.[0] However, GP made an assumption that wasn't supported by, well, anything in anyone's posts or any of the supporting data in an (apparent) attempt to justify their point of view. I just said the quiet part out loud and gave GP license to continue using unsupported assumptions to justify their views. If pointing that out is considered inappropriate by some, then so be it. [0] I want to clarify that I really do appreciate your comment and am absolutely not being snarky or sarcastic when I say so.
- LAC-Tech 3y agoWas it common? Have you looked at the data? Or is this based off of Clint Eastward movies?