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It took me way too long to figure out that Zed exclusively runs on OSX. Why is that not in the first paragraph of their landing page? edit: It's not even on t

It took me way too long to figure out that Zed exclusively runs on OSX. Why is that not in the first paragraph of their landing page? edit: It's not even on the landing page, or even on the about page! The landing page has an entire section, "Work with code on any machine"! This is worse than bad.

totetsu 3y ago
Any Mac’hine.
dmcgill50 3y ago
It's at the bottom. Next to the download button
teaearlgraycold 3y ago
Tim Cook is happy
serial_dev 3y ago
The "Work with code on any machine" is confusing because it's not what you expect by glancing over the headlines. In the section they describe what they actually meant by it... It means that you can collaborate with others who have zed installed and run things on their computer, edit code etc. I vaguely remember them being on the Rust podcast and I believe they said that they want multiplatform support but they first need to nail it on one platform before they go for the next. https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/ https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  That's all good and fine, but it should be immediately obvious to anyone who can't install their software that that is the case.
rapnie 3y ago
Roadmap 2024, Adoption: Unix support https://zed.dev/roadmap https://zed.dev/roadmap
- kadotus 3y ago
  Isn't OSX Unix-based? I'm probably just ignorant, but what exactly does this mean? edit: oh you probably meant "Linux support" whoops ok
  - diem_perdidi 3y ago
    I can see "Linux support" though.
  - Affric 3y ago
    They mean Linux. Linux support is on there. Mac uses a very different graphic stack.
  - petepete 3y ago
    It _is_ Unix. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
registereduser 3y ago
I'm frequently confused when coming across hyperbolic comments like these. You can just say: "feedback: make it more clear that it currently only supports MacOS". Calling it worse than bad is a stretch.
- davidmurdoch 3y ago
  It's "worse than bad" because it's just a flat out lie?
  - sarlalian 3y ago
    It is not a lie, it just doesn't mean exactly what you want it to, and is certainly unintentionally misleading. You can work with code remotely on any machine.
    - davidmurdoch 3y ago
      Words have actual meanings.
      - sarlalian 3y ago
        The full text is: > Work with code on any machine > When you join a teammate's project, you can navigate and edit as if the code is on your local machine. Open any file, type with low latency, and interact with language servers. It all works seamlessly, whether you're working with someone at the next desk or on a different continent. I'm curious what part of that indicates that it means any operating system? It is clearly talking about treating remote machines as local machines. Yes, words have actual meanings but they also have context in which they are said or printed.
        davidmurdoch 3y ago
        It's the context of the entire page that gives it that meaning. Here's an interesting perspective: https://chat.openai.com/share/6ac010c4-dc4c-43ec-8b34-fc68a25814ce https://chat.openai.com/share/6ac010c4-dc4c-43ec-8b34-fc68a2...
lolinder 3y ago
This might be bad in its own way, but I saw that the screenshots were 100% macOS and immediately assumed that it was Mac only and closed the tab. I actually had to go back and look because I could have sworn that I saw it written somewhere, but no, it was just the screenshots and the general feel of the text that clued me in. I think part of it is that apps that are designed to be multi-platform don't tend to use macOS screenshots because maxOS is a minority of their users.
kyawzazaw 3y ago
sounds hyberbolic
mcpherrinm 3y ago
> Work with code on any machine This is referring to remote editing support. Platform support is in their FAQ, but I agree it should be a bit clearer on the homepage. Perhaps the download button should say "Download for MacOS" or similar. I do think your comment here is unnecessarily rude.
- behnamoh 3y ago
  > Work with code on any machine > This is referring to remote editing support. I agree with the OP, I thought it meant Zed was cross platform or something.
- Gorath 3y ago
  It's rude to make misleading marketing statements as well, especially when you are addressing a technical market. That is pretty bad, and thinking so is not rude.
  - arghwhat 3y ago
    It’s “rude” to intentionally mislead. It’s not rude to be bad at marketing.
- foundry27 3y ago
  Rude to who exactly? OP criticized the landing page for a) omitting the fact that ~85% of desktop computer users can’t use Zed, and b) alluding to this not being the case with language about working anywhere. This isn’t an attack on the authors, or on the product they clearly put so much time into. Yeah, OP said the page is really bad. But IMO we should be able to express negative opinions on things we think suck about technical content without being forced to couch our language in euphemisms for fear of being rude, especially on a site like HN.
  - mcpherrinm 3y ago
    Let me quote two of the entries from the "In Comments" section of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. Expressing negative opinions is fine. But perhaps you should have a fear of being rude. We are a community, and there's plenty of other people reading these comments. I value kindness and being constructive, neither of which the comment I replied to appear to express.
tshirttime 3y ago
Because it got you to hear the pitch. People hating on Zed is still better than people oblivious to Zed.
hbbio 3y ago
It's fully made in Rust with a GUI in Rust so it should be multiplatform with a few contributions. There are just packages for OSX for now... you know open source means you can build your own now, and that may be exactly why they release?
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Apple has an entirely unique GUI framework (Cocoa) on top of an entirely unique rendering stack (Metal). I understand why they would choose to implement Zed using those tools, but the sacrifice is platform compatibility. I'm not bothered at all with the fact that this is MacOS exclusive. I just want to know before I go try to download it!
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totetsu 3y ago

Any Mac’hine.

dmcgill50 3y ago

It's at the bottom. Next to the download button

teaearlgraycold 3y ago

Tim Cook is happy

serial_dev 3y ago

The "Work with code on any machine" is confusing because it's not what you expect by glancing over the headlines. In the section they describe what they actually meant by it... It means that you can collaborate with others who have zed installed and run things on their computer, edit code etc. I vaguely remember them being on the Rust podcast and I believe they said that they want multiplatform support but they first need to nail it on one platform before they go for the next. https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/ https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/

thomastjeffery 3y ago
That's all good and fine, but it should be immediately obvious to anyone who can't install their software that that is the case.

rapnie 3y ago

Roadmap 2024, Adoption: Unix support https://zed.dev/roadmap https://zed.dev/roadmap

kadotus 3y ago
Isn't OSX Unix-based? I'm probably just ignorant, but what exactly does this mean? edit: oh you probably meant "Linux support" whoops ok
- diem_perdidi 3y ago
  I can see "Linux support" though.
- Affric 3y ago
  They mean Linux. Linux support is on there. Mac uses a very different graphic stack.
- petepete 3y ago
  It _is_ Unix. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

registereduser 3y ago

I'm frequently confused when coming across hyperbolic comments like these. You can just say: "feedback: make it more clear that it currently only supports MacOS". Calling it worse than bad is a stretch.

davidmurdoch 3y ago
It's "worse than bad" because it's just a flat out lie?
- sarlalian 3y ago
  It is not a lie, it just doesn't mean exactly what you want it to, and is certainly unintentionally misleading. You can work with code remotely on any machine.
  - davidmurdoch 3y ago
    Words have actual meanings.
    - sarlalian 3y ago
      The full text is: > Work with code on any machine > When you join a teammate's project, you can navigate and edit as if the code is on your local machine. Open any file, type with low latency, and interact with language servers. It all works seamlessly, whether you're working with someone at the next desk or on a different continent. I'm curious what part of that indicates that it means any operating system? It is clearly talking about treating remote machines as local machines. Yes, words have actual meanings but they also have context in which they are said or printed.
      - davidmurdoch 3y ago
        It's the context of the entire page that gives it that meaning. Here's an interesting perspective: https://chat.openai.com/share/6ac010c4-dc4c-43ec-8b34-fc68a25814ce https://chat.openai.com/share/6ac010c4-dc4c-43ec-8b34-fc68a2...

lolinder 3y ago

This might be bad in its own way, but I saw that the screenshots were 100% macOS and immediately assumed that it was Mac only and closed the tab. I actually had to go back and look because I could have sworn that I saw it written somewhere, but no, it was just the screenshots and the general feel of the text that clued me in. I think part of it is that apps that are designed to be multi-platform don't tend to use macOS screenshots because maxOS is a minority of their users.

kyawzazaw 3y ago

sounds hyberbolic

mcpherrinm 3y ago

> Work with code on any machine This is referring to remote editing support. Platform support is in their FAQ, but I agree it should be a bit clearer on the homepage. Perhaps the download button should say "Download for MacOS" or similar. I do think your comment here is unnecessarily rude.

behnamoh 3y ago
> Work with code on any machine > This is referring to remote editing support. I agree with the OP, I thought it meant Zed was cross platform or something.
Gorath 3y ago
It's rude to make misleading marketing statements as well, especially when you are addressing a technical market. That is pretty bad, and thinking so is not rude.
- arghwhat 3y ago
  It’s “rude” to intentionally mislead. It’s not rude to be bad at marketing.
foundry27 3y ago
Rude to who exactly? OP criticized the landing page for a) omitting the fact that ~85% of desktop computer users can’t use Zed, and b) alluding to this not being the case with language about working anywhere. This isn’t an attack on the authors, or on the product they clearly put so much time into. Yeah, OP said the page is really bad. But IMO we should be able to express negative opinions on things we think suck about technical content without being forced to couch our language in euphemisms for fear of being rude, especially on a site like HN.
- mcpherrinm 3y ago
  Let me quote two of the entries from the "In Comments" section of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. Expressing negative opinions is fine. But perhaps you should have a fear of being rude. We are a community, and there's plenty of other people reading these comments. I value kindness and being constructive, neither of which the comment I replied to appear to express.

tshirttime 3y ago

Because it got you to hear the pitch. People hating on Zed is still better than people oblivious to Zed.

hbbio 3y ago

It's fully made in Rust with a GUI in Rust so it should be multiplatform with a few contributions. There are just packages for OSX for now... you know open source means you can build your own now, and that may be exactly why they release?

thomastjeffery 3y ago
Apple has an entirely unique GUI framework (Cocoa) on top of an entirely unique rendering stack (Metal). I understand why they would choose to implement Zed using those tools, but the sacrifice is platform compatibility. I'm not bothered at all with the fact that this is MacOS exclusive. I just want to know before I go try to download it!

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