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OpenAI: pioneer in the field of fraudulently putting "open" in your name and being anything but.

quantum_state 3y ago
Similar naming pattern, like North Korea calls itself “ Democratic People's Republic of Korea” … it cannot be further from being democratic.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  From Lord of War: > Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters.
  - eastbound 3y ago
    The lib’dems in Europe are anything but liberal or democratic. Liberal means less intervention from the state, it has literally changed its meaning to soft-socialism. Democratic is not when you’re elected as part of Boris Johnson on a program to leave the EU, and 16% of elected MPs left his party after the vote and rejoined the Libdems (withouth giving a choice to electors, nor resigning as MP) to fight to stay in EU, coining the phrase “What voters really meant was stay in the EU with conditions.” I focussed on England, but lib’dems in every EU country have the same betrayal.
    - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
      Eh? This didn’t happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politicians_who_have_changed_party_affiliation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politi... I think what you are referring to is the tory MPs who defied the government and voted with the opposition on a single vote. At that time literally one of them permanently defected, very visibly crossing the floor. Many of the rest were booted out of the parliamentary party by Boris, only to be readmitted later (including my MP, who I do not vote for). There were two or three who joined minor parties, and a handful ended up in the Lib Dems afterwards, but there was never a mass defection to the lib dems, who only have 15 MPs now; 15% of the 2019 Tories would be over 50. Either way I think your summary misunderstands the reasons all of that happened, and the principles behind it.
    - blitzar 3y ago
      The conservatives are the one true exception these rules. Its right there in the first 3 letters of their party name.
- RespectYourself 3y ago
  Nice comparison. And also certain political factions in the USA try to hide the shamefulness of laws they propose by giving them names that are directly opposed to what they'll do. The "Defense of Marriage Act" comes to mind. There was one so bad that a judge ordered the authors to change it, but I can't find it at the moment.
  - rlt 3y ago
    All political factions are guilty of this. Patriot Act, Inflation Reduction Act, Affordable Care Act, etc.
    - pyuser583 3y ago
      USA PATRIOT Act was an acronym, actual name was Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.
      - kibibu 3y ago
        You think they came up with the long name and THEN were astonished to discover that it spells "PATRIOT"?
        RespectYourself 3y ago
        Yep. That's for sure a revisionist definition. See also: "Digital Versatile Disc"
    - RespectYourself 3y ago
      Eh, the ACA is the only reason I have "affordable" insurance. In the end it might have been more accurate to say, "Marginally Less of a Rip-Off Care Act."
  - pyuser583 3y ago
    This is just a normal practice in the US. Defense of Marriage Act is actually an exception. The people supporting it honestly thought it was defending marriage, and the supportive public knew exactly what it did. It passed with a veto proof majority a few weeks before a presidential election, received tons of press, and nobody was confused about what it did. Whereas the Inflation Reduction Act had absolutely nothing to do with reducing inflation.
- pphysch 3y ago
  Suppose there was a country where individualism was prioritized. Having your own opinions, avoiding "groupthink", even disagreeing with others, is a point of pride. Suppose there was a country where collectivism was prioritized. Harmony, conformity and agreeing with others is a point of pride. Suppose both countries have similar government structures that allow ~everyone to vote. Would it really be surprising that the first country regularly has 50-50 splits, and the second country has virtually unanimous 100-0 voting outcomes? Is that outcome enough basis to judge whether one is "democratic" or not?
  - falcor84 3y ago
    Suppose that countries have more than two parties...
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      You can democratically decide to have only two parties, or for that matter only one. It only takes 51% of the vote to outlaw opposition. Just recently, the US democratic convention stripped all the voters in New Hampshire from their votes the presidential candidates.
    - pphysch 3y ago
      Even in multi-party systems, it comes down to ruling coalition vs. opposition. DPRK technically has multiple parties, but they are in a tight coalition.
  - whamlastxmas 3y ago
    The funny thing is that I’m sure NK is very democratic, it’s just that voting wrong probably gets you killed
    - dylan604 3y ago
      I wonder if anyone that voted "wrong" has ever tried to say the election was rigged, and their votes were changed to avoid their families receiving a bill for a bullet.
- viraptor 3y ago
  It's the same inverse signal in newspaper names too. Russian propaganda Pravda (Truth), Polish tabloid Fakt (Fact), etc. Organisations that practice X every day typically don't have to put X in the name to convince you about it.
shagie 3y ago
OSF predates it by almost four decades (even older than open source) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_Foundation
cbsmith 3y ago
Orwell would be proud.
zo1 3y ago
Side note of a kinda similar thing happening, forgive me for the sidetrack and side-rant. PrivatePropery <- was a website in South Africa setup in a market where all real-estate sales was controlled and gate kept by real-estate agents (assisted by Lawyers, various government bodies and even legislation), and its purpose was to allow "Private" individuals to put up their own properties for rent or sale. Predictably, it eventually got take over by real-estate agents that posed as "private" sellers, and then that caused the entire site to support "Agents" as a concept and here we are. Today, you will hardly ever find a private individual on there and the company makes no effort at all to root them out. The agents just spam all their listings, lie on the metadata for properties, add duplicates, make zero-effort postings and use skew photos, the works. Another example if you will, AirBnB. Taken over (I exaggerate a bit) by management companies that own many many properties and allocate an "agent" to oversee each property. At least here in South Africa, that is. Might not be that true in other countries, but it's on its way there. Mark my words. Or more: Pricecheck <-- Another South African website. Still claims to be a price-comparison website, but is really just like Google shopping, that doesn't do any scraping of prices, but simply "partners" with websites that give it a kickback after a user purchases something.
insane_dreamer 3y ago
should be added to the Newspeak dictionary

Similar naming pattern, like North Korea calls itself “ Democratic People's Republic of Korea” … it cannot be further from being democratic.

FireBeyond 3y ago
From Lord of War: > Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters.
- eastbound 3y ago
  The lib’dems in Europe are anything but liberal or democratic. Liberal means less intervention from the state, it has literally changed its meaning to soft-socialism. Democratic is not when you’re elected as part of Boris Johnson on a program to leave the EU, and 16% of elected MPs left his party after the vote and rejoined the Libdems (withouth giving a choice to electors, nor resigning as MP) to fight to stay in EU, coining the phrase “What voters really meant was stay in the EU with conditions.” I focussed on England, but lib’dems in every EU country have the same betrayal.
  - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
    Eh? This didn’t happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politicians_who_have_changed_party_affiliation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politi... I think what you are referring to is the tory MPs who defied the government and voted with the opposition on a single vote. At that time literally one of them permanently defected, very visibly crossing the floor. Many of the rest were booted out of the parliamentary party by Boris, only to be readmitted later (including my MP, who I do not vote for). There were two or three who joined minor parties, and a handful ended up in the Lib Dems afterwards, but there was never a mass defection to the lib dems, who only have 15 MPs now; 15% of the 2019 Tories would be over 50. Either way I think your summary misunderstands the reasons all of that happened, and the principles behind it.
  - blitzar 3y ago
    The conservatives are the one true exception these rules. Its right there in the first 3 letters of their party name.
RespectYourself 3y ago
Nice comparison. And also certain political factions in the USA try to hide the shamefulness of laws they propose by giving them names that are directly opposed to what they'll do. The "Defense of Marriage Act" comes to mind. There was one so bad that a judge ordered the authors to change it, but I can't find it at the moment.
- rlt 3y ago
  All political factions are guilty of this. Patriot Act, Inflation Reduction Act, Affordable Care Act, etc.
  - pyuser583 3y ago
    USA PATRIOT Act was an acronym, actual name was Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.
    - kibibu 3y ago
      You think they came up with the long name and THEN were astonished to discover that it spells "PATRIOT"?
      - RespectYourself 3y ago
        Yep. That's for sure a revisionist definition. See also: "Digital Versatile Disc"
  - RespectYourself 3y ago
    Eh, the ACA is the only reason I have "affordable" insurance. In the end it might have been more accurate to say, "Marginally Less of a Rip-Off Care Act."
- pyuser583 3y ago
  This is just a normal practice in the US. Defense of Marriage Act is actually an exception. The people supporting it honestly thought it was defending marriage, and the supportive public knew exactly what it did. It passed with a veto proof majority a few weeks before a presidential election, received tons of press, and nobody was confused about what it did. Whereas the Inflation Reduction Act had absolutely nothing to do with reducing inflation.
pphysch 3y ago
Suppose there was a country where individualism was prioritized. Having your own opinions, avoiding "groupthink", even disagreeing with others, is a point of pride. Suppose there was a country where collectivism was prioritized. Harmony, conformity and agreeing with others is a point of pride. Suppose both countries have similar government structures that allow ~everyone to vote. Would it really be surprising that the first country regularly has 50-50 splits, and the second country has virtually unanimous 100-0 voting outcomes? Is that outcome enough basis to judge whether one is "democratic" or not?
- falcor84 3y ago
  Suppose that countries have more than two parties...
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    You can democratically decide to have only two parties, or for that matter only one. It only takes 51% of the vote to outlaw opposition. Just recently, the US democratic convention stripped all the voters in New Hampshire from their votes the presidential candidates.
  - pphysch 3y ago
    Even in multi-party systems, it comes down to ruling coalition vs. opposition. DPRK technically has multiple parties, but they are in a tight coalition.
- whamlastxmas 3y ago
  The funny thing is that I’m sure NK is very democratic, it’s just that voting wrong probably gets you killed
  - dylan604 3y ago
    I wonder if anyone that voted "wrong" has ever tried to say the election was rigged, and their votes were changed to avoid their families receiving a bill for a bullet.
viraptor 3y ago
It's the same inverse signal in newspaper names too. Russian propaganda Pravda (Truth), Polish tabloid Fakt (Fact), etc. Organisations that practice X every day typically don't have to put X in the name to convince you about it.

shagie 3y ago

OSF predates it by almost four decades (even older than open source) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_Foundation

cbsmith 3y ago

Orwell would be proud.

zo1 3y ago

Side note of a kinda similar thing happening, forgive me for the sidetrack and side-rant. PrivatePropery <- was a website in South Africa setup in a market where all real-estate sales was controlled and gate kept by real-estate agents (assisted by Lawyers, various government bodies and even legislation), and its purpose was to allow "Private" individuals to put up their own properties for rent or sale. Predictably, it eventually got take over by real-estate agents that posed as "private" sellers, and then that caused the entire site to support "Agents" as a concept and here we are. Today, you will hardly ever find a private individual on there and the company makes no effort at all to root them out. The agents just spam all their listings, lie on the metadata for properties, add duplicates, make zero-effort postings and use skew photos, the works. Another example if you will, AirBnB. Taken over (I exaggerate a bit) by management companies that own many many properties and allocate an "agent" to oversee each property. At least here in South Africa, that is. Might not be that true in other countries, but it's on its way there. Mark my words. Or more: Pricecheck <-- Another South African website. Still claims to be a price-comparison website, but is really just like Google shopping, that doesn't do any scraping of prices, but simply "partners" with websites that give it a kickback after a user purchases something.

insane_dreamer 3y ago

should be added to the Newspeak dictionary