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Agree completely... used duplicity many years ago, but switched to Borg and never looked back. Currently doing borg-backups of quite a lot of systems, many ever

by sigio 3y ago

Agree completely... used duplicity many years ago, but switched to Borg and never looked back. Currently doing borg-backups of quite a lot of systems, many every 6 hours, and some, like my main shell-host every 2 hours. It's quick, tiny and easy... and restores are the easiest, just mount the backup, browse the snapshot, and copy files where needed.

stavros 3y ago
After Borg, I switched to Restic: https://restic.net/ https://restic.net/ AFAIK, the only difference is that Restic doesn't require Restic installed on the remote server, so you can efficiently backup to things like S3 or FTP. Other than that, both are fantastic.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  Technically Borg doesn't require it either, you can backup to a local directory and then use `rclone` to upload the repo wherever. Not practical for huge backups but it works for me as I'm backing up my machines configuration and code directories only. ~60MB, and that includes a lot of code and some data (SQL, JSON et. al.)
  - stavros 3y ago
    Sure, but rsync requires the server to support rsync.
    - pdimitar 3y ago
      Does rclone require rsync? Haven't checked.
      - stavros 3y ago
        Oh sorry, brain fart, I thought you said rsync. I think rclone uploads everything if you don't have rclone on the server, but I'm not sure.
        pdimitar 3y ago
        Pretty sure rclone uploads just fine without server dependencies, yeah. I never installed anything special on my home NAS and it happily accepts uploads with rclone.
        stavros 3y ago
        It will upload fine, but it can't upload only the changed parts of the file without server support.
        pdimitar 3y ago
        That I can't really speak of. I know it does not reupload the same files at least (uses timestamps) but never really checked about only uploading file diffs. Do you have a direct link I can look at?
        stavros 3y ago
        Nothing offhand, but basically it can't know what's on the server without reading it all, and if it can't do that locally, it'll have to do it remotely. At that point, might as well re-upload the whole thing. Its front page hints at this, but there must be details somewhere.
        pdimitar 3y ago
        Not to make this an endless thread, but I have been wondering about what's the most rsync-friendly backup on-disk layout. I have found Borg to have less files and directories which I would naively think translates to less checks (and the files are not huge, too). I have tried Kopia and Bupstash as well but they both produce a lot of files and directories, much more than Borg. So I think Borg wins at this but I haven't checked Restic and the various Duplic[ati|icity|whatever-else] programs in a while (last I did at least a year ago).
        3y ago

by sigio 3y ago

stavros 3y ago

After Borg, I switched to Restic: https://restic.net/ https://restic.net/ AFAIK, the only difference is that Restic doesn't require Restic installed on the remote server, so you can efficiently backup to things like S3 or FTP. Other than that, both are fantastic.

pdimitar 3y ago
Technically Borg doesn't require it either, you can backup to a local directory and then use `rclone` to upload the repo wherever. Not practical for huge backups but it works for me as I'm backing up my machines configuration and code directories only. ~60MB, and that includes a lot of code and some data (SQL, JSON et. al.)
- stavros 3y ago
  Sure, but rsync requires the server to support rsync.
  - pdimitar 3y ago
    Does rclone require rsync? Haven't checked.
    - stavros 3y ago
      Oh sorry, brain fart, I thought you said rsync. I think rclone uploads everything if you don't have rclone on the server, but I'm not sure.
      - pdimitar 3y ago
        Pretty sure rclone uploads just fine without server dependencies, yeah. I never installed anything special on my home NAS and it happily accepts uploads with rclone.
        stavros 3y ago
        It will upload fine, but it can't upload only the changed parts of the file without server support.
        pdimitar 3y ago
        That I can't really speak of. I know it does not reupload the same files at least (uses timestamps) but never really checked about only uploading file diffs. Do you have a direct link I can look at?
        stavros 3y ago
        Nothing offhand, but basically it can't know what's on the server without reading it all, and if it can't do that locally, it'll have to do it remotely. At that point, might as well re-upload the whole thing. Its front page hints at this, but there must be details somewhere.
        pdimitar 3y ago
        Not to make this an endless thread, but I have been wondering about what's the most rsync-friendly backup on-disk layout. I have found Borg to have less files and directories which I would naively think translates to less checks (and the files are not huge, too). I have tried Kopia and Bupstash as well but they both produce a lot of files and directories, much more than Borg. So I think Borg wins at this but I haven't checked Restic and the various Duplic[ati|icity|whatever-else] programs in a while (last I did at least a year ago).
        3y ago