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* 2 points by normalaccess 59 minutes ago | prev | next | edit | delete [–] I have a few questions about this sort of legislation. How do you determine what

* 2 points by normalaccess 59 minutes ago | prev | next | edit | delete [–] I have a few questions about this sort of legislation. How do you determine what "AI" even is in this context? I feel like we have a Loki's Wager situation on our hands where either the context is so restricted to be functionally meaningless or so broad that simple things like basic math processing would be covered. Although it sounds crazy I fell like certain kinds of math (like matrix multiplication, gradient decent, and simulated annealing) will soon be outlawed unless you are authorized. As far as the other stuff I'm not sure how effective it would be... Like CCTV data, you could just simulate virtually identical visual data using tings like the unreal engine. But I do get it. Things like social scoring? That cat is already out of the bag and using machine learning and AI is only a value add to the system. At the end of the day AI is just /fancy/ math and any problems that fall into the "P VS NP" category use the same computational techniques. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki's_Wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki's_Wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradient_descent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradient_descent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-e https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-e... EDIT: Spelling

troupo 3y ago
> I have a few questions about this sort of legislation. How do you determine what "AI" even is in this context? Instead of linking 4 wikipedia articles you... could find the text of the legislation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A52021PC0206 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A... > Although it sounds crazy I fell like certain kinds of math (like matrix multiplication, gradient decent, and simulated annealing) will soon be outlawed unless you are authorized. Yes, you sound crazy. That is, you blindly parrot the industry that started spreading FUD about this before the AI Act was little more than a twinkling in its authors' eyes. This legislation doesn't outlaw a single thing. Here is another link: The truth about the EU AI Act and foundation models, or why you should not rely on ChatGPT summaries for important texts https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-act/ https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac... > Like CCTV data, you could just simulate virtually identical visual data using tings like the unreal engine. But I do get it. Things like social scoring? That cat is already out of the bag and using machine learning and AI is only a value add to the system. "You could just", "it's only", "bad things are already happening, why should we bother with laws and regulations, the cat is already out of the bag"

troupo 3y ago

> I have a few questions about this sort of legislation. How do you determine what "AI" even is in this context? Instead of linking 4 wikipedia articles you... could find the text of the legislation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A52021PC0206 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A... > Although it sounds crazy I fell like certain kinds of math (like matrix multiplication, gradient decent, and simulated annealing) will soon be outlawed unless you are authorized. Yes, you sound crazy. That is, you blindly parrot the industry that started spreading FUD about this before the AI Act was little more than a twinkling in its authors' eyes. This legislation doesn't outlaw a single thing. Here is another link: The truth about the EU AI Act and foundation models, or why you should not rely on ChatGPT summaries for important texts https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-act/ https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac... > Like CCTV data, you could just simulate virtually identical visual data using tings like the unreal engine. But I do get it. Things like social scoring? That cat is already out of the bag and using machine learning and AI is only a value add to the system. "You could just", "it's only", "bad things are already happening, why should we bother with laws and regulations, the cat is already out of the bag"