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That’s not true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands#National_origins https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherland...

That’s not true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands#National_origins https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherland... Population of the Netherlands by country of birth (2022) Dutch (74.77%) Turks (2.44%) Moroccans (2.38%) Surinamese (2.05%)

berkes 3y ago
That's misleading. Those aren't immigrants in recent era's. Which is what you imply. Turkish, Morrocan and Surinam immigrated to NL in the '70s and '80s. That's 40 years ago, almost two generations. Many of them never immigrated but were born in NL. (and their parents too)
- sebmellen 3y ago
  This is literally a breakdown of immigrants by country of birth. The numbers of “people with a migrant background”, as they are usually known, are much higher. Most major cities in the Netherlands, including Amsterdam and Rotterdam, are no longer majority Dutch by ethnicity.
  - berkes 3y ago
    No. It isn't. Immigration has an effect on demography, but they aren't the same. "Immigration background" has the "background" word in there, specially to distinguish it from actual immigrants! You can keep pasting your list in this thread, but that doesn't change the fact that most immigrants (again: different from demography) are from Europe, are Christian, are "white" and immigrate because they were asked (!) to come and work here. TBC: we aren't discussing immigration in the deep history (because then, except for the Sami, all Europeans are migrants from "northern india"), nor that from several generations ago, but recent migrants. i.e. people whom themselves migrated.
  - Vinnl 3y ago
    If you click through to the source that Wikipedia is citing [1], you can see that it's counting 1st and 2nd generations, and are indeed categorised as "people with a migrant background" ("met migratieachtergrond"). It also shows that 1.889.704 people (10.74%) have a non-Dutch European background. Also note that these numbers are about people currently here. The percentages will be different if you look at movements in the past year. [1] https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/37325/table https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/37325/tabl...
Vinnl 3y ago
To copy from my comment deeper in the chain [1], from the same source: Non-Dutch European (10.74%) Dutch (74.77%) Of course, these are people that are currently in the Netherlands. Obviously when it comes to migrants (which I was talking about), the percentage of Dutch people will be lower, and the other percentages will be higher. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39119632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39119632

berkes 3y ago

That's misleading. Those aren't immigrants in recent era's. Which is what you imply. Turkish, Morrocan and Surinam immigrated to NL in the '70s and '80s. That's 40 years ago, almost two generations. Many of them never immigrated but were born in NL. (and their parents too)

sebmellen 3y ago
This is literally a breakdown of immigrants by country of birth. The numbers of “people with a migrant background”, as they are usually known, are much higher. Most major cities in the Netherlands, including Amsterdam and Rotterdam, are no longer majority Dutch by ethnicity.
- berkes 3y ago
  No. It isn't. Immigration has an effect on demography, but they aren't the same. "Immigration background" has the "background" word in there, specially to distinguish it from actual immigrants! You can keep pasting your list in this thread, but that doesn't change the fact that most immigrants (again: different from demography) are from Europe, are Christian, are "white" and immigrate because they were asked (!) to come and work here. TBC: we aren't discussing immigration in the deep history (because then, except for the Sami, all Europeans are migrants from "northern india"), nor that from several generations ago, but recent migrants. i.e. people whom themselves migrated.
- Vinnl 3y ago
  If you click through to the source that Wikipedia is citing [1], you can see that it's counting 1st and 2nd generations, and are indeed categorised as "people with a migrant background" ("met migratieachtergrond"). It also shows that 1.889.704 people (10.74%) have a non-Dutch European background. Also note that these numbers are about people currently here. The percentages will be different if you look at movements in the past year. [1] https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/37325/table https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/37325/tabl...

Vinnl 3y ago

To copy from my comment deeper in the chain [1], from the same source: Non-Dutch European (10.74%) Dutch (74.77%) Of course, these are people that are currently in the Netherlands. Obviously when it comes to migrants (which I was talking about), the percentage of Dutch people will be lower, and the other percentages will be higher. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39119632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39119632