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What is the point of this? I feel like it only serves to hinder real artists who could use the money that people are paying for these services and models. Maybe

What is the point of this? I feel like it only serves to hinder real artists who could use the money that people are paying for these services and models. Maybe I'm too poor or short-sighted to see it. I would rather an actual animator create something beautiful for me rather than an AI spit out something that needs to be worked on by an actual animator ANYWAY.

chankstein38 3y ago
You're clearly not the target audience for this then. That's usually my assumption when I can't figure out a use case for some research a bunch of people are excited about.
- sofixa 3y ago
  Crypto generally and NFTs in particular are good indicators that things can get people excited and have no substance. Even scams and Ponzi schemes have "target audiences" but that doesn't make them any useful or good.
  - chankstein38 3y ago
    Right but this is generating decent-quality video in segments longer than the time of your average movie shot. I'm sure it'd take some fiddling but I'm excited for a model this good to come out so I can try some fancy multi-shot videos. I saw someone else say "I'm sure it'll be crap like all of the other AI stuff I've seen" but that's a naive view. Things that have been 100% created by AI, sure they're kind of boring a lot of the time. But this kind of tech gives people with a creative mind, but no money or time or resources to create a storytelling movie/video, the resources to do it. Obv ignoring the fact that Goog will never release this, if something like this did come out, it'd be game changing for a lot of people. Think about something like RPG Maker. Yeah we've had a ton of random garbage come out of that platform but there were also incredible. AI isn't just some garbage maker. It is a paint brush that enables people who are alone in their room to make something bigger than them.
    - evilduck 3y ago
      I've used SD to generate novel clipart with my kid for their school project to make a board game. It isn't taking away from an artist, I would never in a million years pay an artist to create throwaway art for a corner of a spray painted cardboard box. The alternative would be nothing or my kids scribbling in something of their own hand. But they were interested and it was available so it went from simple and plain to "custom" and rather nice and polished looking. FWIW, my kid also designed their own board game pieces in TinkerCAD and we 3D printed them. It's nothing special but it's frankly astounding how far kids can go now towards creating something not just imaginative but almost professional quality with the tools at their disposal now. For throwaway school projects. It may not be my kids, but I'm excited for what the next generation will be able to accomplish without massive capital requirements to fulfill their vision and create something.
- StarterPro 3y ago
  I understand the use case. I'm saying from a human collateral sense, what is the point of it? Like we build these things and show them off, without any thought to the ramifications that they could lead to. Maybe I'm catastrophizing, but all this tech lately seems very unregulated/dangerous.
sofixa 3y ago
The same can be said for generators like Midjourney or Stable Diffusion. The target market is people and organisations who like/want/need the speed and low cost of generated "art" and prefer not dealing with external real world artists that need to be fairly compensated and will take time to produce an art piece. Also laws are very murky on this for the moment (naturally, since it's a very recent new thing), and some consider that AI "art" can't be copyrighted. The EU is currently working on a new AI framework which will probably cover that.
gedy 3y ago
Many of these examples are combinations of realistic objects and scenes from real world, these aren't in need of artistic interpretation or manual re-creation or animation.

chankstein38 3y ago

You're clearly not the target audience for this then. That's usually my assumption when I can't figure out a use case for some research a bunch of people are excited about.

sofixa 3y ago
Crypto generally and NFTs in particular are good indicators that things can get people excited and have no substance. Even scams and Ponzi schemes have "target audiences" but that doesn't make them any useful or good.
- chankstein38 3y ago
  Right but this is generating decent-quality video in segments longer than the time of your average movie shot. I'm sure it'd take some fiddling but I'm excited for a model this good to come out so I can try some fancy multi-shot videos. I saw someone else say "I'm sure it'll be crap like all of the other AI stuff I've seen" but that's a naive view. Things that have been 100% created by AI, sure they're kind of boring a lot of the time. But this kind of tech gives people with a creative mind, but no money or time or resources to create a storytelling movie/video, the resources to do it. Obv ignoring the fact that Goog will never release this, if something like this did come out, it'd be game changing for a lot of people. Think about something like RPG Maker. Yeah we've had a ton of random garbage come out of that platform but there were also incredible. AI isn't just some garbage maker. It is a paint brush that enables people who are alone in their room to make something bigger than them.
  - evilduck 3y ago
    I've used SD to generate novel clipart with my kid for their school project to make a board game. It isn't taking away from an artist, I would never in a million years pay an artist to create throwaway art for a corner of a spray painted cardboard box. The alternative would be nothing or my kids scribbling in something of their own hand. But they were interested and it was available so it went from simple and plain to "custom" and rather nice and polished looking. FWIW, my kid also designed their own board game pieces in TinkerCAD and we 3D printed them. It's nothing special but it's frankly astounding how far kids can go now towards creating something not just imaginative but almost professional quality with the tools at their disposal now. For throwaway school projects. It may not be my kids, but I'm excited for what the next generation will be able to accomplish without massive capital requirements to fulfill their vision and create something.
StarterPro 3y ago
I understand the use case. I'm saying from a human collateral sense, what is the point of it? Like we build these things and show them off, without any thought to the ramifications that they could lead to. Maybe I'm catastrophizing, but all this tech lately seems very unregulated/dangerous.

sofixa 3y ago

The same can be said for generators like Midjourney or Stable Diffusion. The target market is people and organisations who like/want/need the speed and low cost of generated "art" and prefer not dealing with external real world artists that need to be fairly compensated and will take time to produce an art piece. Also laws are very murky on this for the moment (naturally, since it's a very recent new thing), and some consider that AI "art" can't be copyrighted. The EU is currently working on a new AI framework which will probably cover that.

gedy 3y ago

Many of these examples are combinations of realistic objects and scenes from real world, these aren't in need of artistic interpretation or manual re-creation or animation.