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4 years ago Boeing cut their quality inspection staff as part of its "Quality Transformation". "In the Puget Sound region, there are currently [2019] just over

4 years ago Boeing cut their quality inspection staff as part of its "Quality Transformation". "In the Puget Sound region, there are currently [2019] just over 3,000 Boeing Quality Inspectors, who typically work as a second set of eyes. For each of the tens of thousands of jobs that go into assembling an airplane, they formally sign off that it has been completed and done right. By the end of next year, Boeing’s plan would bring that down to not many more than 2,000 people." [0] "They got quality inspectors, quality managers, out of the picture," one former quality manager said, adding that the positions had been reduced from about 15 inspectors per building per shift, to one. [1] 0: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-overhauls-its-quality-controls-more-high-tech-tracking-but-fewer-inspectors/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein... 1: https://www.npr.org/2024/01/17/1224998393/boeing-737-max-9-downfall-documentary https://www.npr.org/2024/01/17/1224998393/boeing-737-max-9-d...

lupire 3y ago
Quality is Job 1. Now that it's done we're on to Job 2.
fuzzfactor 3y ago
IOW rather than having "air-tight" procedures proven beforehand, apparently flight 1282 served as a full-scale early-warning system for the entire fleet, or the entire aircraft supplier, whichever is more realistic. How clever, you can't get much more realistic of a mock-up than that. The undeniability is undeniably palpable. Some people are just not quality people. Thankfully there weren't any fatalities this time, it may be risky but hey you pays your money and you takes your chances.
bumby 3y ago
This is unfortunately common when cost and schedule take priority. Quality can be seen as an unnecessary cost that delays delivery, particularly when dealing with low-probability events. When the probability is low, you can roll the dice many times without consequence and convince yourself you're good rather than just lucky.
- mirpa 3y ago
  Reminds me of NASA: Normalization of Deviance. People will sometimes cut corners even when they know that something isn't right.
beaeglebeached 3y ago
Boeing moved a lot of their staff to South Carolina to avoid the negligent union parasites who assembled the max in Washington. The 787 made in SC isnt having this widespread a problem. You can't look at just the Sound to calculate their safety staff changes.
- whoknowsidont 3y ago
  1. QA issues almost shut down 787 production a few years ago (~2019), all stemming from its Carolina based operations. 2. The 787 is an older airplane than the current hot topic. >negligent union parasites This perspective is so tired and it's quite frankly exhausting to deal with. Please reconsider your perspective and opinion on this matter, fairly new account.
  - chmod775 3y ago
    I'll add to that: 3. Pretty much all of Airbus is unionized, vs. only 1/3rd at Boeing. If "unions bad", Airbus aircraft should have had dozens more major issues in the previous decades.
    - beaeglebeached 3y ago
      That's a different union, what's your point? Unions aren't inherently negligent or parasitic. What's telling is I describe one bad one and you assume all are described that way, which is 'tiring' presumption that's exhausting to deal with that i hope will be reconsidered. It's like you criticize one negligent union, the woodwork comes out to protect the bad apple.
      - whoknowsidont 3y ago
        You: Does the phrase "negligent union parasites" refer to one union or is it applicable to many different unions? ChatGPT: The phrase "negligent union parasites" is a derogatory and generalized statement that is not specific to any particular union. Instead, it seems to be a broad and negative characterization that could be directed towards members or aspects of various unions. It's important to note that such language is highly biased and does not reflect an objective or fair assessment of unions or their members. Unions can vary widely in their practices, effectiveness, and the satisfaction of their members, and like any large organization, they may have both strengths and weaknesses. It's always more constructive to address specific concerns or issues rather than using generalized negative labels.

lupire 3y ago

Quality is Job 1. Now that it's done we're on to Job 2.

fuzzfactor 3y ago

IOW rather than having "air-tight" procedures proven beforehand, apparently flight 1282 served as a full-scale early-warning system for the entire fleet, or the entire aircraft supplier, whichever is more realistic. How clever, you can't get much more realistic of a mock-up than that. The undeniability is undeniably palpable. Some people are just not quality people. Thankfully there weren't any fatalities this time, it may be risky but hey you pays your money and you takes your chances.

bumby 3y ago

This is unfortunately common when cost and schedule take priority. Quality can be seen as an unnecessary cost that delays delivery, particularly when dealing with low-probability events. When the probability is low, you can roll the dice many times without consequence and convince yourself you're good rather than just lucky.

mirpa 3y ago
Reminds me of NASA: Normalization of Deviance. People will sometimes cut corners even when they know that something isn't right.

beaeglebeached 3y ago

Boeing moved a lot of their staff to South Carolina to avoid the negligent union parasites who assembled the max in Washington. The 787 made in SC isnt having this widespread a problem. You can't look at just the Sound to calculate their safety staff changes.

whoknowsidont 3y ago
1. QA issues almost shut down 787 production a few years ago (~2019), all stemming from its Carolina based operations. 2. The 787 is an older airplane than the current hot topic. >negligent union parasites This perspective is so tired and it's quite frankly exhausting to deal with. Please reconsider your perspective and opinion on this matter, fairly new account.
- chmod775 3y ago
  I'll add to that: 3. Pretty much all of Airbus is unionized, vs. only 1/3rd at Boeing. If "unions bad", Airbus aircraft should have had dozens more major issues in the previous decades.
  - beaeglebeached 3y ago
    That's a different union, what's your point? Unions aren't inherently negligent or parasitic. What's telling is I describe one bad one and you assume all are described that way, which is 'tiring' presumption that's exhausting to deal with that i hope will be reconsidered. It's like you criticize one negligent union, the woodwork comes out to protect the bad apple.
    - whoknowsidont 3y ago
      You: Does the phrase "negligent union parasites" refer to one union or is it applicable to many different unions? ChatGPT: The phrase "negligent union parasites" is a derogatory and generalized statement that is not specific to any particular union. Instead, it seems to be a broad and negative characterization that could be directed towards members or aspects of various unions. It's important to note that such language is highly biased and does not reflect an objective or fair assessment of unions or their members. Unions can vary widely in their practices, effectiveness, and the satisfaction of their members, and like any large organization, they may have both strengths and weaknesses. It's always more constructive to address specific concerns or issues rather than using generalized negative labels.