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That is not really related to my point unless you want to say that engineer CEOs are intrinsically better/not susceptible to bad culture etc. I have worked wit

That is not really related to my point unless you want to say that engineer CEOs are intrinsically better/not susceptible to bad culture etc. I have worked with great, bad, and middling CEOs and I would not say that it comes down to their degree background where they place in the spectrum of quality. Not having experience in managing other people but only some sort of trench experience will likely fail at a place of the size and complexity. A lot what you describe is more like poor management. And, yes, there is a big role for the board to play.

brigadier132 3y ago
> unless you want to say that engineer CEOs are intrinsically better/not susceptible to bad culture etc Yes, that's what we are all saying.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  Then show the evidence. This feels like a testable hypothesis.
  - brigadier132 3y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/22/more-top-performing-ceos-now-have-engineering-degrees-than-mbas/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/22/more-top-...
    - RandomLensman 3y ago
      That just compares MBAs and engineers (not sure what happens if someone has both), not the many other non-engineer educations CEOs can have (law, mathematics, physics, ...). MBA is quite US centric. Also, performance measures play a role. I found this, for example, which says there is no relationship: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/06/18/does-ceo-education-matter/ https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/06/18/does-ceo-educatio...
- happytiger 3y ago
  With evidence. Of the top performing companies in 2018: > 32 have an MBA, up from 29 last year. 34 have an engineering degree, up from 32 last year. It has shifted further in this direction since, especially with 2020. https://hbr.org/2018/11/the-best-performing-ceos-in-the-world-2018 https://hbr.org/2018/11/the-best-performing-ceos-in-the-worl... Edit: the point has been made. Please do some of your own research rather than constantly sea lioning. https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-called-when-someone-keeps-asking-for-evidence-on-a-forum-argument https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-called-when-someone-keeps-a...
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    How many have law degrees? The majority of CEOs in the top 100 were not engineers it seems. And performance is stock performance/TSR, if I understand correctly. Edit: How is it sea lioning if your link is not establishing what you claim? An intrinsic link between being an engineer and being a high performance CEO would, for example, be that proportionate more engineers than MBAs, etc. are good CEOs.

brigadier132 3y ago

> unless you want to say that engineer CEOs are intrinsically better/not susceptible to bad culture etc Yes, that's what we are all saying.

RandomLensman 3y ago
Then show the evidence. This feels like a testable hypothesis.
- brigadier132 3y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/22/more-top-performing-ceos-now-have-engineering-degrees-than-mbas/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/22/more-top-...
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    That just compares MBAs and engineers (not sure what happens if someone has both), not the many other non-engineer educations CEOs can have (law, mathematics, physics, ...). MBA is quite US centric. Also, performance measures play a role. I found this, for example, which says there is no relationship: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/06/18/does-ceo-education-matter/ https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/06/18/does-ceo-educatio...
happytiger 3y ago
With evidence. Of the top performing companies in 2018: > 32 have an MBA, up from 29 last year. 34 have an engineering degree, up from 32 last year. It has shifted further in this direction since, especially with 2020. https://hbr.org/2018/11/the-best-performing-ceos-in-the-world-2018 https://hbr.org/2018/11/the-best-performing-ceos-in-the-worl... Edit: the point has been made. Please do some of your own research rather than constantly sea lioning. https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-called-when-someone-keeps-asking-for-evidence-on-a-forum-argument https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-called-when-someone-keeps-a...
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  How many have law degrees? The majority of CEOs in the top 100 were not engineers it seems. And performance is stock performance/TSR, if I understand correctly. Edit: How is it sea lioning if your link is not establishing what you claim? An intrinsic link between being an engineer and being a high performance CEO would, for example, be that proportionate more engineers than MBAs, etc. are good CEOs.