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> Alaska Airlines doesn't trust Boeing enough They don't trust Boeing enough or their customers don't trust Boeing enough and it's a PR measure to calm the pas
by tmalsburg2 3y ago
> Alaska Airlines doesn't trust Boeing enough
They don't trust Boeing enough or their customers don't trust Boeing enough and it's a PR measure to calm the passengers' nerves. Could also be a bit of both.
- distortionfield 3y agoTo me it says their lawyers don’t trust Boeing enough. My cynical side says companies never give a shit what their customers think in an industry like aviation where they have so few or no other real options.
- internetter 3y agoIf people don’t think planes are safe, they won’t fly on planes
- BurningFrog 3y agoThere are some people like that, sure. But most of us know driving isn't safe, and still do it daily.
- dessimus 3y agoMore people die in the US Every. Single. Day. on the roads than in the last decade in total from commercial flying, but sure flying is unsafe. https://www.airlines.org/dataset/safety-record-of-u-s-air-carriers/ https://www.airlines.org/dataset/safety-record-of-u-s-air-ca...
- dylan604 3y agoYou're using facts in an emotional argument. When the phrase "doesn't feel" is used, logic goes out the window. Have you not ever had an argument with a significant other?
- Zigurd 3y agoCommercial aviation is about 10X safer than driving per mile. That is a valid comparison if you need to cover a distance and have a choice of driving or flying. You should also add an amount of risk for driving to the airport. Flying is clearly safer than driving for long distances. It is less clear if the choice is driving to a beach two hours away or flying to a different beach two hours away by air.
- nottorp 3y agoWell, it's getting really scary if two* airline CEOs speak publicly against Boeing, no matter what their motivation is. * there's a piece of news about Southwest, i think, saying they'll start considering alternatives to Boeing.
- ethanbond 3y agoIt was United
- nottorp 3y agoSorry. Can't tell US airlines with no european presence (except transatlantic flights i guess, but i don't do those) apart.
- peblos 3y agoRyanair as well. Although they softened their statement, it still spoke to reduced confidence
- nunez 3y agoOh man, if Southwest defects from Boeing, Boeing is done for.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoAirlines need to push Boeing into chapter 11, acquire a controlling interest, and install adults in charge who can deliver.
- Arnt 3y agoA lot of HN commenters seem to think that people don't care about their customers' wellbeing. What an attitude. That's their attitude during working hours too? I just don't want to use code written by those HNers.
- ruined 3y agoyeah that's my attitude during working hours. maybe a person cares, but a corporation can't. i expect a corporation cares about making money, and to some extent that correlates with not killing me, but who knows. the code i write at work is open.
- Aaargh20318 3y ago> maybe a person cares, but a corporation can't A corporation is a legal fiction. It doesn't actually do anything, it doesn't make decisions. The people who work for the corporation do. Liability should not stop with the corporation but with the actual human beings making the decisions.
- ruined 3y agoa corporation doesn't do anything the same way a crowd in the street doesn't do anything. which is to say, watch out
- lupire 3y agoYou are not exhibiting nonlinear-systems thinking. A corporation is not purely hierarchical. Effects are very diffuse from decisions. Humans don't control things; humans interact with things.
- formerly_proven 3y agoProbably projection. Maybe also motivated by office jobs having tons of people freeloading and genuinely not giving a fuck, which just doesn't work in labor jobs.
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- hakcermani 3y agoAs the saying goes .. Vertrauen ist gut, aber Kontrolle ist besser! (Trust is good but verifying is better!)
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- SadTrombone 3y agoOr as we condense it to in English: Trust but verify!
- throwaway167 3y agoTrustify. Or, Veritrust which sounds like it needs a ™
- jjulius 3y agoAlaska was the airline who had their door ripped off. A reasonable take is to expect them to want to ensure that things like that don't happen again. PR is an added bonus.
- zuppy 3y agosame Alaska that knew there is something wrong with the pressure, but decided to continue flying with their plane, just not over the water: https://apnews.com/article/alaska-airlines-portland-oregon-emergency-landing-aab8ee1e594369ab48fa3ce60f3acdc6 https://apnews.com/article/alaska-airlines-portland-oregon-e... not saying they’re completely guilty, but they do have some part of the fault in that incident.
- XzAeRosho 3y agoPressurization problems are not uncommon in aviation. Most planes will drop to a safer altitude or divert to "safer" routes in case something goes wrong. They did what they are supposed to do in those circumstances. I'm finding these type of apologists comments placing fault towards the airline really hard to sympathize with.
- lupire 3y agoHow would you feel if you were on a flight where a door fell off, and the pilot said "only 2% of flights on this specific plane have had unexplained depressurization, and now we have an explanation, folks"?
- dghlsakjg 3y agoThey hadn’t had unexpected depressurization. They had an error in one of the redundant automatic controllers for pressurization. That controller isn’t even required equipment. Airplanes fly around ALL THE TIME with equipment that isn’t working. They have a procedure for determining what is and isn’t necessary for a given flight both legally and by the airlines own standards. In this case it very much looks like the pressurization controller was a red herring.
- dizhn 3y agoWouldn't they first downplay the issues then say they are keeping a close eye anyway? I don't think this is good PR for the airlines as it is.
- brookst 3y agoAre you accusing Alaska of not actually caring about safety and only engaging in PR window dressing? Is there any evidence supporting this view?
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- tmalsburg2 3y agoI didn’t accuse anyone. I just laid out the possibilities. Reading comprehension.
- unethical_ban 3y agoNPR reported today that Alaska is "considering options" that don't include the MAX 10s they have ordered, which presumably means looking at Airbus? I somewhat doubt it's going to happen quickly, and it is likely a combination of sincere anger and saber rattling. I've been witness to some major product meltdowns, and executives threatening to migrate from a vendor is one of the big guns to pull out post mortem. --- Edit: Another topic, NPR said "there is only one commercial plane competitor to Boeing, Airbus". What about Embraer?