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Yes. You might have a better word for stealthily using open source software and claiming that it was developed independently by themselves.

by tianqi 3y ago

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
That’s called lying. But it’s not theft.
- rpmisms 3y ago
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  - roenxi 3y ago
    1) If someone is raping prostitutes, there are more serious crimes afoot than theft. 2) Sorry, but how have they broken the license? We seem to have missed a step in the conversation. 3) And on the thread topic, I don't even think they are clearly lying. They might just be mis-speaking.
    - rpmisms 3y ago
      1) exactly 2) reselling most open-source code is theft under the licenses in common use. 3) maybe, but on this forum of rather clever people, I assume people mean what they say.
      - roenxi 3y ago
        > reselling most open-source code is theft under the licenses in common use. That doesn't sound like any OSS license in common use; and one of the freedoms that FOSS licenses preserve is the freedom to sell software. Which license do you think they're in violation of? > maybe, but on this forum of rather clever people, I assume people mean what they say. That is a bad assumption. People often mis-speak and there is nothing that protects against that. When people make a claim that isn't true, it is prudent to seek clarification in the first instance to prevent misunderstandings. Particularly when dealing with cross-cultural institutions where the management presumably speak Chinese.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        >reselling most open-source code is theft under the licenses in common use. Free-as-in-libre is different from free-as-in-beer. However, I do agree when the majority of FOSS consumers speak of it the F stands for free-as-in-beer, not free-as-in-libre, and tar and feather anyone who would dare pay or take money.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    whoa. not even in the same reality of being comparable. what a shit example. if you think rape is something to just toss out as some techbro example, then you really have some growing up to do. even a prostitute has the right to say no, and you damn well better respect that. anything after no is rape regardless of their profession.
    - rpmisms 3y ago
      Yes, it's worse than theft. That's the point I'm making. They're not just taking something that doesn't belong to them, they're taking credit and using it against the presumable interest of the creator. It's obviously not a violation of bodily autonomy, but it is a small-r rape, similar to how a pillaging can be described as a rape. The comparison stems for abusing something people presume to be open, which I think is apt. The social attitudes do not reflect reality.
      - dylan604 3y ago
        I've never heard of pillaging being described as rape. They often happen in conjunction with each other which is why the phrase "rape & pillage" is prevalent. However, it comes across to me as someone trying to downplay rape into something less than what it is. To toss it around so non-nonchalantly has got to stop. I'm not even willing to engage in the rest of your argument as part of this thread. I don't care if you're using lower case, upper case or writing in Sanskrit.
        rpmisms 3y ago
        Please re-read my original comment. You're allowing the semantic overload of the word affect your judgement of my statement, which I think you'd agree with in principle.
        dylan604 3y ago
        “semantic overload” just goes to prove how techbro you are to even think that using rape so casually is just something to be dismissed rather than owning up to the serious lack of awareness and classless you are. You chose to be very unclassy with that choice of phrasing. Then, doubled down on it by continuing to diminish it and blame me for misinterpreting your classlessness.
  - c0nducktr 3y ago
    How exactly did they violate the license?
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    > They broke the license. It's theft, in the same way as raping a prostitute is theft. It's called copyright infringement. A completely non-violent act, violation of a contract essentially, one that subtracts nothing from either party. It's disgusting to see you put this and rape in the same sentence as if these things were in any way analogous.

Yes. You might have a better word for stealthily using open source software and claiming that it was developed independently by themselves.

by tianqi 3y ago

Yes. You might have a better word for stealthily using open source software and claiming that it was developed independently by themselves.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

That’s called lying. But it’s not theft.

rpmisms 3y ago
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- roenxi 3y ago
  1) If someone is raping prostitutes, there are more serious crimes afoot than theft. 2) Sorry, but how have they broken the license? We seem to have missed a step in the conversation. 3) And on the thread topic, I don't even think they are clearly lying. They might just be mis-speaking.
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    1) exactly 2) reselling most open-source code is theft under the licenses in common use. 3) maybe, but on this forum of rather clever people, I assume people mean what they say.
    - roenxi 3y ago
      > reselling most open-source code is theft under the licenses in common use. That doesn't sound like any OSS license in common use; and one of the freedoms that FOSS licenses preserve is the freedom to sell software. Which license do you think they're in violation of? > maybe, but on this forum of rather clever people, I assume people mean what they say. That is a bad assumption. People often mis-speak and there is nothing that protects against that. When people make a claim that isn't true, it is prudent to seek clarification in the first instance to prevent misunderstandings. Particularly when dealing with cross-cultural institutions where the management presumably speak Chinese.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      >reselling most open-source code is theft under the licenses in common use. Free-as-in-libre is different from free-as-in-beer. However, I do agree when the majority of FOSS consumers speak of it the F stands for free-as-in-beer, not free-as-in-libre, and tar and feather anyone who would dare pay or take money.
- dylan604 3y ago
  whoa. not even in the same reality of being comparable. what a shit example. if you think rape is something to just toss out as some techbro example, then you really have some growing up to do. even a prostitute has the right to say no, and you damn well better respect that. anything after no is rape regardless of their profession.
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    Yes, it's worse than theft. That's the point I'm making. They're not just taking something that doesn't belong to them, they're taking credit and using it against the presumable interest of the creator. It's obviously not a violation of bodily autonomy, but it is a small-r rape, similar to how a pillaging can be described as a rape. The comparison stems for abusing something people presume to be open, which I think is apt. The social attitudes do not reflect reality.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      I've never heard of pillaging being described as rape. They often happen in conjunction with each other which is why the phrase "rape & pillage" is prevalent. However, it comes across to me as someone trying to downplay rape into something less than what it is. To toss it around so non-nonchalantly has got to stop. I'm not even willing to engage in the rest of your argument as part of this thread. I don't care if you're using lower case, upper case or writing in Sanskrit.
      - rpmisms 3y ago
        Please re-read my original comment. You're allowing the semantic overload of the word affect your judgement of my statement, which I think you'd agree with in principle.
        dylan604 3y ago
        “semantic overload” just goes to prove how techbro you are to even think that using rape so casually is just something to be dismissed rather than owning up to the serious lack of awareness and classless you are. You chose to be very unclassy with that choice of phrasing. Then, doubled down on it by continuing to diminish it and blame me for misinterpreting your classlessness.
- c0nducktr 3y ago
  How exactly did they violate the license?
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  > They broke the license. It's theft, in the same way as raping a prostitute is theft. It's called copyright infringement. A completely non-violent act, violation of a contract essentially, one that subtracts nothing from either party. It's disgusting to see you put this and rape in the same sentence as if these things were in any way analogous.