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isnt gemini the new thing? but for me, Bard works better than the new ChatGPT (not the old one though)

LightBug1 3y ago
Surprisingly, the same for me. This feel likes a 'good enough' vs 'premium' battle at the moment. You'll probably get better results with pay-for-play chatGPT ... but if Bard/Gemini is 'good enough', why bother? Jury's still out.
- ijhuygft776 3y ago
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danpalmer 3y ago
Bard is a user-facing product, Gemini is an internal/developer facing model. Bard is now backed by Gemini and its various forms, but used to be backed by PaLM/2. Similarly, ChatGPT is a user-facing product, and GPT3, 3.5, 4, etc, are the developer facing models. OpenAI expose a bit more of the GPT branding to users allowing them to directly select the model in ChatGPT, but Google hasn't done this, I would guess for product reasons. The main distinction is that Bard/ChatGPT are fine-tuned to be conversational, whereas the raw models are not necessarily. For example, in Google Workspace you can have an LLM draft an email for you, but this is not Bard, it's not conversational, it doesn't chat back and forth, it takes a prompt and generates an email, which is what it was fine-tuned to do. Bard/ChatGPT can write emails, but they aren't explicitly trained to do so and will discuss the email with you more.
huytersd 3y ago
Hopefully Gemini is Bette because I have much better results with ChatGPT.
benreesman 3y ago
The Nanny model stuff has basically eliminated gpt-4-1106-preview from my stable of go-to models, which is a shame because it’s pretty good (not the undisputed best, that’s marketing). Today I wanted to drop some generated files into a Bazel workspace (just like Gazelle and stuff do all the time) and it was just like “builds are hermitic for a reason…” and after like my 3rd time trying to force it I was like “I’m arguing with a toaster, it’s come to this.” M-x dolphin-region-task “Write an Eminem style diss track about how much this sucks and then tell me the magic spell for the Starlark thing”. Yeah, that was better.
ladzoppelin 3y ago
Every time I try Bard and the "new" Gemini it hallucinates so bad I get scared to try it again. Its circumstantial and I only use it for tech stuff and each time its immediately returned a very believable parameter that makes me laugh to myself at how stupid I was for not knowing it. I only use GPT4 so maybe 3.5 does the same thing.
- ta988 3y ago
  In my experience, Llama2, mixtral, bard/gemini hallucinate so much more than gpt3.5 that they are unusable. For trivial things and small examples you could be fooled. But large scale when you need somewhat accurate results, they aren't great

Surprisingly, the same for me. This feel likes a 'good enough' vs 'premium' battle at the moment. You'll probably get better results with pay-for-play chatGPT ... but if Bard/Gemini is 'good enough', why bother? Jury's still out.

ijhuygft776 3y ago
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danpalmer 3y ago

Bard is a user-facing product, Gemini is an internal/developer facing model. Bard is now backed by Gemini and its various forms, but used to be backed by PaLM/2. Similarly, ChatGPT is a user-facing product, and GPT3, 3.5, 4, etc, are the developer facing models. OpenAI expose a bit more of the GPT branding to users allowing them to directly select the model in ChatGPT, but Google hasn't done this, I would guess for product reasons. The main distinction is that Bard/ChatGPT are fine-tuned to be conversational, whereas the raw models are not necessarily. For example, in Google Workspace you can have an LLM draft an email for you, but this is not Bard, it's not conversational, it doesn't chat back and forth, it takes a prompt and generates an email, which is what it was fine-tuned to do. Bard/ChatGPT can write emails, but they aren't explicitly trained to do so and will discuss the email with you more.

huytersd 3y ago

Hopefully Gemini is Bette because I have much better results with ChatGPT.

benreesman 3y ago

The Nanny model stuff has basically eliminated gpt-4-1106-preview from my stable of go-to models, which is a shame because it’s pretty good (not the undisputed best, that’s marketing). Today I wanted to drop some generated files into a Bazel workspace (just like Gazelle and stuff do all the time) and it was just like “builds are hermitic for a reason…” and after like my 3rd time trying to force it I was like “I’m arguing with a toaster, it’s come to this.” M-x dolphin-region-task “Write an Eminem style diss track about how much this sucks and then tell me the magic spell for the Starlark thing”. Yeah, that was better.

ladzoppelin 3y ago

Every time I try Bard and the "new" Gemini it hallucinates so bad I get scared to try it again. Its circumstantial and I only use it for tech stuff and each time its immediately returned a very believable parameter that makes me laugh to myself at how stupid I was for not knowing it. I only use GPT4 so maybe 3.5 does the same thing.

ta988 3y ago
In my experience, Llama2, mixtral, bard/gemini hallucinate so much more than gpt3.5 that they are unusable. For trivial things and small examples you could be fooled. But large scale when you need somewhat accurate results, they aren't great