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I can't understand it. Someone who is deaf has a large number of obstacles to overcome and it is amazing that they are able to do so. Neuro-Atypical people co

I can't understand it. Someone who is deaf has a large number of obstacles to overcome and it is amazing that they are able to do so. Neuro-Atypical people could make the same argument, they just think and process things differently. But why wish that your children or anyone else has to overcome the same obstacles?

cortesoft 3y ago
> Neuro-Atypical people could make the same argument, they just think and process things differently. Many have. There is a major movement in the community to treat neurodivergence as something other than a disability.
- overstay8930 3y ago
  I'm surprised it's taken so long for academia to catch up, militaries have figured out decades ago that these "disabilities" are just people who are good at different things and are assigned tasks that they can do much better than the average person. It is no coincidence that people with ADHD are drawn to certain fields, for example.
  - rocqua 3y ago
    Do you have any such examples? Only thing I know of in a military context is colorblind people being better at defeating camouflage, and I believe that isn't actually used in practice.
    - overstay8930 3y ago
      Israel Defense Forces is probably the best example (they were the first to put it in practice publicly): https://www.businessinsider.com/army-autistic-people-israel-idf-calling-up-military-conscription-2023-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/army-autistic-people-israel-... You can see hits of it through Five Eyes, cybersecurity is hot if you are autistic as well: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gchq-jobs-recruitment-intelligence-spy-jeremy-fleming-dyslexia-disability-neurodiversity-a9163996.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gchq-jobs-re... https://hbr.org/2017/12/why-the-australian-defence-organization-is-recruiting-cyber-analysts-on-the-autism-spectrum https://hbr.org/2017/12/why-the-australian-defence-organizat...
- 331c8c71 3y ago
  It gets even funnier. Some autistics claim that it's the "normies" who are messed up with all their emotions, irrationality and social status games. Lots of that on reddit. It's an immense rabbit hole btw trying to understand how autistics experience life and interactions. I was totally unaware of all this until I met someone who interacted in a very unusual way (to put it mildly)...
IAmNotACellist 3y ago
They have obstacles to overcome, but those obstacles are mostly imposed on them by the wider culture, as I've come to understand it. Having spent 4 years learning ASL and being close friends with a lot of deaf people now, I'm starting to conclude that ASL and especially technology makes it clear it doesn't have to be a disability at all, at least for people who were born deaf. Losing a sense is still quite a disability.
rocqua 3y ago
I believe people with down-syndrome have a similar community with similar worries. The worries are more about genetic screening shrinking their community than about children, but I feel like the sentiment of wanting to protect and share their community is the same.

cortesoft 3y ago

> Neuro-Atypical people could make the same argument, they just think and process things differently. Many have. There is a major movement in the community to treat neurodivergence as something other than a disability.

overstay8930 3y ago
I'm surprised it's taken so long for academia to catch up, militaries have figured out decades ago that these "disabilities" are just people who are good at different things and are assigned tasks that they can do much better than the average person. It is no coincidence that people with ADHD are drawn to certain fields, for example.
- rocqua 3y ago
  Do you have any such examples? Only thing I know of in a military context is colorblind people being better at defeating camouflage, and I believe that isn't actually used in practice.
  - overstay8930 3y ago
    Israel Defense Forces is probably the best example (they were the first to put it in practice publicly): https://www.businessinsider.com/army-autistic-people-israel-idf-calling-up-military-conscription-2023-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/army-autistic-people-israel-... You can see hits of it through Five Eyes, cybersecurity is hot if you are autistic as well: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gchq-jobs-recruitment-intelligence-spy-jeremy-fleming-dyslexia-disability-neurodiversity-a9163996.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gchq-jobs-re... https://hbr.org/2017/12/why-the-australian-defence-organization-is-recruiting-cyber-analysts-on-the-autism-spectrum https://hbr.org/2017/12/why-the-australian-defence-organizat...
331c8c71 3y ago
It gets even funnier. Some autistics claim that it's the "normies" who are messed up with all their emotions, irrationality and social status games. Lots of that on reddit. It's an immense rabbit hole btw trying to understand how autistics experience life and interactions. I was totally unaware of all this until I met someone who interacted in a very unusual way (to put it mildly)...

IAmNotACellist 3y ago

They have obstacles to overcome, but those obstacles are mostly imposed on them by the wider culture, as I've come to understand it. Having spent 4 years learning ASL and being close friends with a lot of deaf people now, I'm starting to conclude that ASL and especially technology makes it clear it doesn't have to be a disability at all, at least for people who were born deaf. Losing a sense is still quite a disability.

rocqua 3y ago

I believe people with down-syndrome have a similar community with similar worries. The worries are more about genetic screening shrinking their community than about children, but I feel like the sentiment of wanting to protect and share their community is the same.