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> compared with the rest of the industry's standard of maybe 2. You're just making up facts to protect your beloved brand/cult. C'mon. All my non-Mac computers

> compared with the rest of the industry's standard of maybe 2. You're just making up facts to protect your beloved brand/cult. C'mon. All my non-Mac computers I'm using here have been around way longer than two years.

the_gastropod 3y ago
You're talking about different things. Apple officially supports / provides software updates for its iPhones for 7 years. Other phone manufacturers' durations of support vary, but they're usually much less. Until fairly recently, Google provided 3 years of software updates for Pixels, for example. [1] [1] https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-update-policies-1658633/ https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-update-policies-16586...
- int_19h 3y ago
  Samsung accounts for the vast majority of Android phones in actual use. Their current policy is also 7 years, as is Google's. You're right that historically this was different, but things change.
spiderice 3y ago
You refer to your smart phone as a non-mac computer? Because nobody is talking about Mac's besides you. Or PC's. Or "computers" outside of smart phones in general.
rollcat 3y ago
> You're just making up facts [...] Here's objective facts and my experiences that I used to draw my conclusions. My final Android phones were: [1] a Samsung A7 (2017), which included a non-replaceable battery, shipped with Android 6 (2015), officially supported Android 8 (2017; theoretical first-party security patches which it never received were offered until 2021), no longer receives updates even from LineageOS, and never ran postmarketOS; and [2] a Nokia 3 (2017), which had pretty much the same story (support ended on Android 9). In 2019, someone gave me an old, smashed [3] iPhone 7 (2016), and the phone literally worked better than any Android phone I've owned before, including either of the two above. Since it was already physically falling apart, I took the liberty of getting [4] an iPhone SE (2020), which is still with me; the 7 continued to serve in the family for a couple more years. [1]: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a7_(2017)-8335.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a7_(2017)-8335.php [2]: https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3-8572.php https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3-8572.php [3]: https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_7-8064.php https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_7-8064.php [4]: https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php > All my non-Mac computers I'm using here have been around way longer than two years. I have a 2002 TiBook, which, believe me or not, continues to outlive my T61 and X200. My MBP (2017) had a spicy pillow though (which Apple repaired for free, outside of warranty). > [...] to protect your beloved brand/cult. I'm not a cultist, I'm a pragmatist. I used to believe in things - I had a [5] Jolla (2013) for the longest time, because I believed in Free Software and Open Source and all that stuff, until I realized suffering for your values is not necessarily the healthiest thing to do, and that freedom is not strictly a function of a software license, but of things the hardware+software enables you to do with it. [5]: https://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-review-1025.php https://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-review-1025.php

the_gastropod 3y ago

You're talking about different things. Apple officially supports / provides software updates for its iPhones for 7 years. Other phone manufacturers' durations of support vary, but they're usually much less. Until fairly recently, Google provided 3 years of software updates for Pixels, for example. [1] [1] https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-update-policies-1658633/ https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-update-policies-16586...

int_19h 3y ago
Samsung accounts for the vast majority of Android phones in actual use. Their current policy is also 7 years, as is Google's. You're right that historically this was different, but things change.

spiderice 3y ago

You refer to your smart phone as a non-mac computer? Because nobody is talking about Mac's besides you. Or PC's. Or "computers" outside of smart phones in general.

rollcat 3y ago

> You're just making up facts [...] Here's objective facts and my experiences that I used to draw my conclusions. My final Android phones were: [1] a Samsung A7 (2017), which included a non-replaceable battery, shipped with Android 6 (2015), officially supported Android 8 (2017; theoretical first-party security patches which it never received were offered until 2021), no longer receives updates even from LineageOS, and never ran postmarketOS; and [2] a Nokia 3 (2017), which had pretty much the same story (support ended on Android 9). In 2019, someone gave me an old, smashed [3] iPhone 7 (2016), and the phone literally worked better than any Android phone I've owned before, including either of the two above. Since it was already physically falling apart, I took the liberty of getting [4] an iPhone SE (2020), which is still with me; the 7 continued to serve in the family for a couple more years. [1]: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a7_(2017)-8335.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a7_(2017)-8335.php [2]: https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3-8572.php https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3-8572.php [3]: https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_7-8064.php https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_7-8064.php [4]: https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php > All my non-Mac computers I'm using here have been around way longer than two years. I have a 2002 TiBook, which, believe me or not, continues to outlive my T61 and X200. My MBP (2017) had a spicy pillow though (which Apple repaired for free, outside of warranty). > [...] to protect your beloved brand/cult. I'm not a cultist, I'm a pragmatist. I used to believe in things - I had a [5] Jolla (2013) for the longest time, because I believed in Free Software and Open Source and all that stuff, until I realized suffering for your values is not necessarily the healthiest thing to do, and that freedom is not strictly a function of a software license, but of things the hardware+software enables you to do with it. [5]: https://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-review-1025.php https://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-review-1025.php