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Disagree. Waymo is currently at level 3. From your link, emergency responders have the ability to put the car in a manual mode to get it out of the way if it

Disagree. Waymo is currently at level 3. From your link, emergency responders have the ability to put the car in a manual mode to get it out of the way if it is stuck. Waymo also has employees make decisions on behalf of the car remotely when it finds itself in a tricky situation. Level 5 fully autonomous would mean the car is able to drive in icy and snowy conditions (adjusting how it drives based on traction), it would be able to respond to verbal commands from construction workers, and it would be able to detect when a hazard in the road prevents it from continuing, plan a new route, and detour. There isn't much incentive for Waymo or its competitors to create level 5 autonomous cars when there is a plenty large market in places where there is good weather and good signal for an employee to tell the car what to do if necessary.

spankalee 3y ago
Waymo cars don't have a driver, and they don't let a passenger take over driving. That's level 4: https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/assets/cm/content/blog/sae-j3016-visual-chart_5.3.21.pdf https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/assets/cm/content/blog/...
- oatmeal1 3y ago
  Perhaps it straddles the line between 3 and 4. I don't see much of a distinction between the passenger taking over, and a first responder taking over. Would Waymo put cars on the road that don't have pedals and a steering wheel if it were cheaper to do so? I don't think they would. I think they want a backup in case the car has to be driven by a human.
  - tialaramex 3y ago
    No, it's very clearly level 4. Here's how you can tell so that you don't get confused as easily in future. Level 3 cars can require the occupant to drive the vehicle, "When the feature requests: You must drive the car". Waymo even offers service to people who cannot drive whether that's legally (they aren't licensed) or physically (blind people can use Waymo but can't drive a car). They are simply not required to take over driving.
- TheCoelacanth 3y ago
  They have remote operators that the car can request help from. That's level 3.
  - spankalee 3y ago
    It's been reported that the remote operators can't drive the car, they can only guide the decision-making process.
    - lossolo 3y ago
      > guide the decision-making process What does it mean exactly? Because this can mean everything really. I mean you could guide decision making process by "now press break, now reverse and...", is it still driving?
spankalee 3y ago
I'll take the "for" side of the bet then. You game?

spankalee 3y ago

Waymo cars don't have a driver, and they don't let a passenger take over driving. That's level 4: https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/assets/cm/content/blog/sae-j3016-visual-chart_5.3.21.pdf https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/assets/cm/content/blog/...

oatmeal1 3y ago
Perhaps it straddles the line between 3 and 4. I don't see much of a distinction between the passenger taking over, and a first responder taking over. Would Waymo put cars on the road that don't have pedals and a steering wheel if it were cheaper to do so? I don't think they would. I think they want a backup in case the car has to be driven by a human.
- tialaramex 3y ago
  No, it's very clearly level 4. Here's how you can tell so that you don't get confused as easily in future. Level 3 cars can require the occupant to drive the vehicle, "When the feature requests: You must drive the car". Waymo even offers service to people who cannot drive whether that's legally (they aren't licensed) or physically (blind people can use Waymo but can't drive a car). They are simply not required to take over driving.
TheCoelacanth 3y ago
They have remote operators that the car can request help from. That's level 3.
- spankalee 3y ago
  It's been reported that the remote operators can't drive the car, they can only guide the decision-making process.
  - lossolo 3y ago
    > guide the decision-making process What does it mean exactly? Because this can mean everything really. I mean you could guide decision making process by "now press break, now reverse and...", is it still driving?

spankalee 3y ago

I'll take the "for" side of the bet then. You game?