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Honestly, this article ended up being more of an endorsement for the Tuxedo Pulse 14 laptop than for Framework, at least to me. The price difference between th
by _odey 3y ago
Honestly, this article ended up being more of an endorsement for the Tuxedo Pulse 14 laptop than for Framework, at least to me.
The price difference between the two is noticeable (more than the 5% geometric mean result) and Tuxedo as a company officially supports Linux in their machines, as opposed to Framework which don't. Yes I know about Framework laptops working with Linux installed, and about Framework drivers existing in fwupd, but Tuxedo actually sell laptops with Linux pre-installed and Framework doesn't; yes that distinction actually matters, it means the company itself is willing to put their name on the line with Linux support.
Sorry @nrp, I did not want to be so negative about the Framework 16, but I do think you have tough competition from Tuxedo in particular and the customizability might not be enough to justify the price difference (at least it is not for me).
Back to the benchmarks themselves, I'd assume the Framework 16 would perform a bit better (at least more than 5%) compared to the Framework 13, I'm guessing there might be some optimisations that could come in the future to improve the results? Maybe it's strength is in longer lived benchmarks because of (supposedly) better thermals, or in performance per watt?
- postpawl 3y agoNo modular GPU makes Tuxedo Pulse 14 a pretty different product?
- _odey 3y agoMaybe, for my personal purposes it does not. Considering how I use, and intend to use a laptop, I wound not purchase the GPU module. I'm judging the two as a replacement for my current laptop, and the GPU does not really affect that. The soldered RAM on the Tuxedo Pulse 14 laptop does indeed give me doubts, I'm not saying it's flawless, only that, at least to me, it provides a better overall justification for the purchase.
- MostlyStable 3y agoIf you don't need the modular GPU, and are considering a 14 inch anyways, then why is the FW 13 not your reference machine anyways? But yeah, it sounds like the FM16 probably isn't the product for your needs.
- _odey 3y agoFramework 13 has an "U" CPU comparat to the Tuxedo's "HS", which is the same as the Framework 16 one. The Framework 13 laptop is still significantly more expensive than Tuxedo Pulse considering the difference in hardware specs. I understand the difference is from the customizability features, but don't consider it worth it. I'm happy for people to disagree with me.
- snvzz 3y agoIn contrast, I see no value in preinstalled Linux. Because, each and every time, I'd rather install it myself.
- _odey 3y agoIt's not about using the preinstalled one, it's about putting your reputation on the line that you are cofnident enough to preistall it and support it officially. Tuxedo is a Linux laptop, Framework is "just another" windows laptop that happens to work with Linux as well.
- snvzz 3y agoIf I was them, I wouldn't bother. Best to focus on making the hardware the absolute best. This includes selecting parts that work well on oss systems, as well as taking special care on the firmware side that everything is as correct and open source as possible. Anybody else can do software support; that's not my business. >Tuxedo is a Linux laptop, Framework is "just another" windows laptop that happens to work with Linux as well. I disagree with the practice of bundling to begin with. If it was up to me, I'd have laws in place to prevent bundling. I do not want a Linux laptop, or a Windows one. I just want a laptop that doesn't suck.
- _odey 3y agoYes, you are right, no bundling would be best across the board. But Microsoft is doubling down on this, with mandatory TPM requirements and keyboard changes for vendors. Unfortunately, in practice it's the case that the vendor's advertised support matters.