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Mozilla's "Platform Tilt" shows how Firefox is harmed by Apple, Microsoft

41 points by redbell 3y ago

david_allison 3y ago
Blog: https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/ https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/ Tilt: https://mozilla.github.io/platform-tilt/ https://mozilla.github.io/platform-tilt/
- bluish29 3y ago
  Discussions on HN for each https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587
  - dang 3y ago
    Thanks! Macroexpanded: Platform Tilt - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587 - Jan 2024 (108 comments) Platform Tilt: Documenting the Uneven Playing Field for Firefox - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 - Jan 2024 (4 comments)
1oooqooq 3y ago
the rumors was that it restricted addons while trying to win back google's big pay... that is not even hinted in the sources
Lendal 3y ago
There are not many people who would say that McDonalds' hamburger is the best hamburger in the world, and that Starbucks' coffee is the best coffee, yet brands like these dominate the world like none others and in multiple ways, not the least of which is market share. That doesn't mean they did anything wrong. Or maybe they did. Who knows? Does it matter? I use Firefox daily. I'm typing this into Firefox. I feel fortunate to live right now when such a thing is possible. I'm not all that hopeful about the future though, because I know that we as a society collectively ask for shitty things on a regular basis, and we get exactly what we ask for.
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amanzi 3y ago
My biggest frustration with Mozilla, is how they force me to use other browsers for some tasks. I'm a die-hard Firefox user on Mac, Windows, and Android, but if I want to use PWAs then I'm forced to use a Chromium-based browser. This is the most nonsensical decision Mozilla have made about Firefox, but there are other frustrations too - like if I want to configure my keyboard, I have to switch to Chrome to use the VIA configuration app. It's fine for Mozilla to complain about other platforms/vendors harming them, but they also seem to like shooting themselves in the foot too.
- numbnuts 3y ago
  VIA is Chromium-only because of WebHID which, last I checked, isn't even on the standards track. I don't blame Mozilla for that. The API is useful but I don't want Firefox just implementing whatever Google decides to try to railroad into web standards. I'm with you on Mozilla removing the ability to install PWAs on desktop though. Strange that they'd ditch it on desktop but not mobile.

41 points by redbell 3y ago

Blog: https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/ https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/ Tilt: https://mozilla.github.io/platform-tilt/ https://mozilla.github.io/platform-tilt/

bluish29 3y ago
Discussions on HN for each https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587
- dang 3y ago
  Thanks! Macroexpanded: Platform Tilt - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39061587 - Jan 2024 (108 comments) Platform Tilt: Documenting the Uneven Playing Field for Firefox - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39059255 - Jan 2024 (4 comments)

1oooqooq 3y ago

the rumors was that it restricted addons while trying to win back google's big pay... that is not even hinted in the sources

Lendal 3y ago

There are not many people who would say that McDonalds' hamburger is the best hamburger in the world, and that Starbucks' coffee is the best coffee, yet brands like these dominate the world like none others and in multiple ways, not the least of which is market share. That doesn't mean they did anything wrong. Or maybe they did. Who knows? Does it matter? I use Firefox daily. I'm typing this into Firefox. I feel fortunate to live right now when such a thing is possible. I'm not all that hopeful about the future though, because I know that we as a society collectively ask for shitty things on a regular basis, and we get exactly what we ask for.

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amanzi 3y ago

My biggest frustration with Mozilla, is how they force me to use other browsers for some tasks. I'm a die-hard Firefox user on Mac, Windows, and Android, but if I want to use PWAs then I'm forced to use a Chromium-based browser. This is the most nonsensical decision Mozilla have made about Firefox, but there are other frustrations too - like if I want to configure my keyboard, I have to switch to Chrome to use the VIA configuration app. It's fine for Mozilla to complain about other platforms/vendors harming them, but they also seem to like shooting themselves in the foot too.

numbnuts 3y ago
VIA is Chromium-only because of WebHID which, last I checked, isn't even on the standards track. I don't blame Mozilla for that. The API is useful but I don't want Firefox just implementing whatever Google decides to try to railroad into web standards. I'm with you on Mozilla removing the ability to install PWAs on desktop though. Strange that they'd ditch it on desktop but not mobile.