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This also happened to me. Except I got lucky and noticed it was happening due to sudden inexplicable increase in local network traffic (thank you blinkenlights)

by tumult 3y ago

This also happened to me. Except I got lucky and noticed it was happening due to sudden inexplicable increase in local network traffic (thank you blinkenlights) and managed to stop it in time. Here’s my story: https://merveilles.town/@cancel/111746895947244237 https://merveilles.town/@cancel/111746895947244237 I only use my Mac for music production and compatibility testing, but honestly, between this and the overall shoddy and janky state of macOS, I’m reconsidering my future use of Macs at all.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Damn... if that's really the case then Apple should offer a written apology to those affected. Either due to the very serious bug they somehow pushed out, and/or the existence of some seriously corrupt folks within their software team.
yreg 3y ago
> I’m reconsidering my future use of Macs Just FYI, this is a valid reason to switch to Linux, but absolutely not a valid reason to switch to Windows.
- tumult 3y ago
  Yeah. I have a special installation of Windows that I keep locked down and prevent automatic upgrades. I don't recommend it unless you really need Windows. I also boot Linux and prefer it overall, but some things are not good experiences there (game graphics development) I've used all 3 OSs since the 90s.
  - latexr 3y ago
    > I have a special installation of Windows that I keep locked down and prevent automatic upgrades. Could you share more? I have an old MacBook with Windows that I use for games and I’d like to have it as locked down as possible with as little effort as possible.
    - tumult 3y ago
      There are a bunch of ways to do it. If you have a standard version of Windows like Home or Pro, there are scripts and config files on GitHub repos, with directions.
      - latexr 3y ago
        I know there are a lot of ways to do it and used one of them myself. But it hasn’t stopped nagging for updates and at one point didn’t even allow shutting off without an update. I already trudged through a bunch of them, each with their own specific set of features. What I was looking for was a specific recommendation to compare to what I already know.
        yreg 3y ago
        +1 I'm sure it is possible, but I have spent so much time with it already without a consistent success, that I gave up. I have come to terms with Windows doing this and I will keep complaining any time the topic comes up.
    - windowsrookie 3y ago
      Because your MacBook does not support TPM, you never have to worry about it upgrading to Windows 11.
      - latexr 3y ago
        But it still upgrades to different versions of Windows 10, and as far as I know those tend to turn on things you turned off, such as different kinds of telemetry.
- puffer99 3y ago
  > Just FYI, this is a valid reason to switch to Linux, but absolutely not a valid reason to switch to Windows. I have been bitten by bad Linux upgrades many, many times. OpenBSD has been the most consistent OS I have used upgrade-wise, but might not support all the tools the original comment needs for music production.
- BuildTheRobots 3y ago
  > this is a valid reason to switch to Linux Not if it's a flavour that uses snaps.
coldtea 3y ago
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- tumult 3y ago
  I'm very familiar with all 3. I have computers with all 3 OSs (and Haiku!) and I've used all 3 of these OSs since the 90s. Windows is the worst offender for not having control. Linux is not great for media production, though through lots of time and effort you can get it to work, until some desktop userland upheaval forces you to relearn and change a bunch of things.
alemanek 3y ago
Yeah I am having to downgrade to Ventura. There is a nasty external monitor bug where I can’t use HDMI to my TV anymore over a USB-C adapter. Ventura it works just fine though. But, I upgraded to fix a preview bug in Ventura where Preview will make edited PDFs password protected randomly. Ugh, maybe I will give Asahi a try one of these days. Love Apple hardware but software, which used to be rock solid, is definitely janky these days.
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hindsightbias 3y ago
Mac is just a tiny $30B/yr unit, probably didn't even get space in the spaceship. Thought of dressing up as a beggar on Tantau with a trashcan pro change can labeled "Will fix MacOS bugs for money".
justsomehnguy 3y ago
>> s it possible you accidentally authorized it when you thought you were authorizing something else? You can see in the logs screenshot what the request for EULA and the 'acceptance' has the same timestamp. Marvelous.

by tumult 3y ago

MichaelZuo 3y ago

Damn... if that's really the case then Apple should offer a written apology to those affected. Either due to the very serious bug they somehow pushed out, and/or the existence of some seriously corrupt folks within their software team.

yreg 3y ago

> I’m reconsidering my future use of Macs Just FYI, this is a valid reason to switch to Linux, but absolutely not a valid reason to switch to Windows.

tumult 3y ago
Yeah. I have a special installation of Windows that I keep locked down and prevent automatic upgrades. I don't recommend it unless you really need Windows. I also boot Linux and prefer it overall, but some things are not good experiences there (game graphics development) I've used all 3 OSs since the 90s.
- latexr 3y ago
  > I have a special installation of Windows that I keep locked down and prevent automatic upgrades. Could you share more? I have an old MacBook with Windows that I use for games and I’d like to have it as locked down as possible with as little effort as possible.
  - tumult 3y ago
    There are a bunch of ways to do it. If you have a standard version of Windows like Home or Pro, there are scripts and config files on GitHub repos, with directions.
    - latexr 3y ago
      I know there are a lot of ways to do it and used one of them myself. But it hasn’t stopped nagging for updates and at one point didn’t even allow shutting off without an update. I already trudged through a bunch of them, each with their own specific set of features. What I was looking for was a specific recommendation to compare to what I already know.
      - yreg 3y ago
        +1 I'm sure it is possible, but I have spent so much time with it already without a consistent success, that I gave up. I have come to terms with Windows doing this and I will keep complaining any time the topic comes up.
  - windowsrookie 3y ago
    Because your MacBook does not support TPM, you never have to worry about it upgrading to Windows 11.
    - latexr 3y ago
      But it still upgrades to different versions of Windows 10, and as far as I know those tend to turn on things you turned off, such as different kinds of telemetry.
puffer99 3y ago
> Just FYI, this is a valid reason to switch to Linux, but absolutely not a valid reason to switch to Windows. I have been bitten by bad Linux upgrades many, many times. OpenBSD has been the most consistent OS I have used upgrade-wise, but might not support all the tools the original comment needs for music production.
BuildTheRobots 3y ago
> this is a valid reason to switch to Linux Not if it's a flavour that uses snaps.

coldtea 3y ago

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tumult 3y ago
I'm very familiar with all 3. I have computers with all 3 OSs (and Haiku!) and I've used all 3 of these OSs since the 90s. Windows is the worst offender for not having control. Linux is not great for media production, though through lots of time and effort you can get it to work, until some desktop userland upheaval forces you to relearn and change a bunch of things.

alemanek 3y ago

Yeah I am having to downgrade to Ventura. There is a nasty external monitor bug where I can’t use HDMI to my TV anymore over a USB-C adapter. Ventura it works just fine though. But, I upgraded to fix a preview bug in Ventura where Preview will make edited PDFs password protected randomly. Ugh, maybe I will give Asahi a try one of these days. Love Apple hardware but software, which used to be rock solid, is definitely janky these days.

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hindsightbias 3y ago

Mac is just a tiny $30B/yr unit, probably didn't even get space in the spaceship. Thought of dressing up as a beggar on Tantau with a trashcan pro change can labeled "Will fix MacOS bugs for money".

justsomehnguy 3y ago

>> s it possible you accidentally authorized it when you thought you were authorizing something else? You can see in the logs screenshot what the request for EULA and the 'acceptance' has the same timestamp. Marvelous.