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> The amount of sniffy negativism on this site is absurd I don't want to be monocausal, but a lot of this is simply Europeans spending time on this site and vo

> The amount of sniffy negativism on this site is absurd I don't want to be monocausal, but a lot of this is simply Europeans spending time on this site and voicing opinions about American architecture. It's well-understood that Europe doesn't build significant buildings anymore, and there's confusion about why a US city would want to build something large and noteworthy.

sib 3y ago
>> It's well-understood that Europe doesn't build significant buildings anymore, and there's confusion about why a US city would want to build something large and noteworthy. That seems a little unfair. For example, Philharmonie de Paris, France; Elbphilharmonie, Hamburg; The Shard, London; MAAT Museum, Lisbon.
- justrealist 3y ago
  The Shard is the 47th largest building in the world. It's only notable in the absence of any other significant buildings in a nominally world-class city.
  - hagurganus 3y ago
    While I love supertall buildings, I don’t think height or size necessarily equates with notoriety, especially in a place like London.
    - wharvle 3y ago
      Paris seems to do pretty OK on all of density, vibrancy, and aesthetics, while segregating all their somewhat-tall buildings to La Defense. I'm skeptical that moving all those into the city proper, let alone aiming for top-X-buildings slots, would improve the city in any way.
  - sib 3y ago
    If the comment meant "tall" vs "significant," then granted. I think that, as a term of architectural art, "significant" means more than tall...
amadeuspagel 3y ago
As a european, when I see this negativity, I see it as americans hating on each other, in this case blue state americans hating on a red state. Since HN doesn't have /pol/ style flags, I guess we'll never know.
- oooyay 3y ago
  I view it as less blue versus red and more class and culture clashes between states. I have blue friends in Texas that will get upset when a blue person from a coastal state says disparaging stuff about the whole state and its people.

sib 3y ago

>> It's well-understood that Europe doesn't build significant buildings anymore, and there's confusion about why a US city would want to build something large and noteworthy. That seems a little unfair. For example, Philharmonie de Paris, France; Elbphilharmonie, Hamburg; The Shard, London; MAAT Museum, Lisbon.

justrealist 3y ago
The Shard is the 47th largest building in the world. It's only notable in the absence of any other significant buildings in a nominally world-class city.
- hagurganus 3y ago
  While I love supertall buildings, I don’t think height or size necessarily equates with notoriety, especially in a place like London.
  - wharvle 3y ago
    Paris seems to do pretty OK on all of density, vibrancy, and aesthetics, while segregating all their somewhat-tall buildings to La Defense. I'm skeptical that moving all those into the city proper, let alone aiming for top-X-buildings slots, would improve the city in any way.
- sib 3y ago
  If the comment meant "tall" vs "significant," then granted. I think that, as a term of architectural art, "significant" means more than tall...

amadeuspagel 3y ago

As a european, when I see this negativity, I see it as americans hating on each other, in this case blue state americans hating on a red state. Since HN doesn't have /pol/ style flags, I guess we'll never know.

oooyay 3y ago
I view it as less blue versus red and more class and culture clashes between states. I have blue friends in Texas that will get upset when a blue person from a coastal state says disparaging stuff about the whole state and its people.