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No, because AI is (for now at least) shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe. Is it really "evolution"

by paxys 3y ago

No, because AI is (for now at least) shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe. Is it really "evolution" if a judge can rule that it violates copyright and stop all progress overnight? Or a random developer can add a bit of code to make sure the answers appease the right set of people? What we have today is a crude software approximation mimicking what we think AI should be, but that AI itself is nowhere in sight.

basil-rash 3y ago
What makes you confident our evolution didn’t occur the same way? The “fossil records” of the two are similar in many ways: lots of baby steps, giant leap with no known intermediary states, lots of baby steps, …
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  > giant leap with no known intermediary states That's just evidence of absent records, not that there are no records.
  - basil-rash 3y ago
    Yes and?
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      And if we're building off a bad initial premise it weakens the whole argument. "AI could be evolving just like us!" doesn't make sense when we don't know how we evolved.
      - basil-rash 3y ago
        The initial argument was just as bad: “AI can’t be evolving like us”, when we have no clue how we evolved. All I’m doing is calling out the intellectual dishonesty is making any claims about something we know nothing of.
ta8645 3y ago
> (for now at least) Yeah, a lot of people get hung up on the term AI as it exists today, and protesting that it doesn't deserve such consideration. I should have been more explicit that I was speaking in the much more general sense, and on an evolutionary timescale, not about technology we'd recognize today.
louthy 3y ago
> No, because AI is (for now at least) shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe Aren’t humans part of the universe’s rules? What makes AI development any less ‘free’ than any other emergent property?
digging 3y ago
> shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe This logic doesn't hold. Humans are part of the universe and obey all its laws. It's arbitrary to say bacteria and bonobos and stone tools are naturally occurring but AI aren't. We distinguish them because we're conscious and we have the experience of choice, but to say our creations aren't natural to the universe implies that our consciousness is not a natural phenomenon.
- moate 3y ago
  It feels like you’re simply stating the predators and outside influences that are affecting AI’s evolution. Humans killed the dodo, maybe we kill the AI next

by paxys 3y ago

basil-rash 3y ago

What makes you confident our evolution didn’t occur the same way? The “fossil records” of the two are similar in many ways: lots of baby steps, giant leap with no known intermediary states, lots of baby steps, …

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
> giant leap with no known intermediary states That's just evidence of absent records, not that there are no records.
- basil-rash 3y ago
  Yes and?
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    And if we're building off a bad initial premise it weakens the whole argument. "AI could be evolving just like us!" doesn't make sense when we don't know how we evolved.
    - basil-rash 3y ago
      The initial argument was just as bad: “AI can’t be evolving like us”, when we have no clue how we evolved. All I’m doing is calling out the intellectual dishonesty is making any claims about something we know nothing of.

ta8645 3y ago

> (for now at least) Yeah, a lot of people get hung up on the term AI as it exists today, and protesting that it doesn't deserve such consideration. I should have been more explicit that I was speaking in the much more general sense, and on an evolutionary timescale, not about technology we'd recognize today.

louthy 3y ago

> No, because AI is (for now at least) shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe Aren’t humans part of the universe’s rules? What makes AI development any less ‘free’ than any other emergent property?

digging 3y ago

> shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe This logic doesn't hold. Humans are part of the universe and obey all its laws. It's arbitrary to say bacteria and bonobos and stone tools are naturally occurring but AI aren't. We distinguish them because we're conscious and we have the experience of choice, but to say our creations aren't natural to the universe implies that our consciousness is not a natural phenomenon.

moate 3y ago
It feels like you’re simply stating the predators and outside influences that are affecting AI’s evolution. Humans killed the dodo, maybe we kill the AI next